How to Determine a Differential Equation from a Given Solution?

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The discussion revolves around determining a homogeneous linear differential equation with constant coefficients from a given solution, specifically the function y = C1sin3x + C2cos3x. Participants explore methods of deriving the differential equation through differentiation and characteristic equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests differentiating the given solution to derive the differential equation.
  • Another participant proposes that the original equation must have complex roots 3i and -3i, leading to the equation d^2y/dx^2 + 9y = 0.
  • A participant emphasizes that not all differential equations are first order, indicating a broader scope of equations.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the characteristic equation λ² + 9 = 0 and its relation to the original ODE.
  • Questions arise about the process of factoring the characteristic equation to find the roots.
  • One participant explains a method of differentiating the solution twice to eliminate the constants and derive the differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between the given solution and the form of the differential equation, but there are differing approaches and methods discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to derive the equation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in deriving the characteristic equation and the process of eliminating constants through differentiation. There is a reliance on recognizing the form of the solution as indicative of the type of differential equation.

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Q. Determine a homogeneous linear differential equation with constant coefficients having having the following solution:

y = C1sin3x + C2cos3x

My idea is to differntiate both sides with respect to x and come up with an equation in dy/dx

what else? can be done...

Is my idea correct.
 
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Hello,

Since the solution is in the form y=ASin3x+BCos3x,
The original equation must have complex roots 3i and -3i.
Thus, a possible solution is d^2y/dx^2+9=0. =)
 
Not every differential equation is a first order equation!
 
estalniath said:
Hello,

Since the solution is in the form y=ASin3x+BCos3x,
The original equation must have complex roots 3i and -3i.
Thus, a possible solution is d^2y/dx^2+9=0. =)

Pay attention.The characteristic equation is

[tex]\lambda^{2}+9=0[/tex]

,but the ODE is

[tex]\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^2}+9y=0[/tex]

Okay?


Daniel.
 
Can somebody explain how they arrived at [tex]\lambda^{2}+9=0[/tex]

I know that the two roots are 3i and -3i. I had figured out this already.
 
Suppose you were given [tex]\lambda^{2}+9=0[/tex]

How would factor it , in order to find the two values for [tex]\lambda[/tex]
 
By multiplying [itex](\lambda-3i)(\lambda+3i)[/itex] and equating it to 0...?

Daniel.
 
Yup I got it thanks!
 
Thanks for pointing that out Daniel! I guess that I took the "y" there for granted every time I used the characteristic solution to get the [tex]y_h[/tex]
 
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By the way- this was clearly a simple problem because the given combination was clearly a solution to a linear equation with constant coefficients. It's not always that simple. In general, given a combination of functions with TWO "unknown constants", you form the simplest equation, involving differentials, the eliminates those constants.

If you did NOT recognize y= C1cos(3x)+ C2sin(3x) as coming from λ= 3i and -3i, you could have done this:
Since you are seeking a differential equation: DIFFERENTIATE-
y'= -3 C1 sin(3x)+ 3 C2 cos(3x).
Since there are two unknown constants, DIFFERENTIATE AGAIN-
y"= -9 C1 cos(3x)- 9 C2 sin(3x).

Now do whatever algebraic manipulations you need to eliminate the two constants.

(In this example, of course, just add y" and 3y.)
 

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