Uncovering the Mystery of Magic Squares

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The discussion revolves around the construction and properties of magic squares, particularly in relation to a magician's performance that involved quickly generating a magic square with a specific sum. Participants explore how such squares can be created or adapted for different sums and the methods a magician might use to achieve this effect.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a magic square that sums to 47 and seeks help in adapting it for other sums.
  • Another participant suggests that the magician might have a collection of pre-made squares and could modify them by adding constants to achieve the desired sums.
  • There is a proposal that if one square is known, others can be derived by adding multiples of 4 to the numbers in the square, potentially allowing for quick adjustments to reach sums from 41 to 100.
  • Participants express curiosity about how the magician originally found these squares and whether other squares exist for different sums.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the idea that magic squares can be adapted for different sums, but there is no consensus on the specific methods for finding or constructing these squares. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple viewpoints on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for specific squares for sums ranging from 41 to 100, but the discussion does not resolve how to systematically generate or identify these squares. There are also assumptions about the magician's methods that remain unverified.

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Individuals interested in recreational mathematics, magic tricks involving mathematics, or the properties of magic squares may find this discussion relevant.

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Magic Square

Hello,

Don't know, which forum, so i put it to general...

Yesterday i saw something like an magician on an exposition, showing some math to angle for attention.

He asked the audience to give him a number between 41 and 100. So he got the 47.

He worked out a magic square _very_ quickly.

It was that one:
4 18 14 11
15 10 5 17
9 12 20 6
19 7 8 13

You see, that the horizontal lines, the vertical lines, and all possible 2x2 - squares have the sum of 47...


How did the magician do that?


I've found some links here:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MagicSquare.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Square

But i don't know how to adapt the instructions for constructing an squad with doubly even order to other sums of the lines, etc ..


Can someone please help me?
It would be great :-)


greets
Soeren
 
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Could he just have a handful of these such squares (I have no idea how he found them originally) and then just be adding on squares of all ones? Then all you would need is one for 41,42,43,44 and you'ld have the squares for 41 and up. You already have the square for 43 now right?
3 17 13 10
14 9 4 16
8 11 19 5
18 6 7 12
If you rehearse enough I imagine you can recall and add the numbers as fast as you can write them. Just a guess... no idea how you find the other 3 squares
 
snoble said:
Then all you would need is one for 41,42,43,44 and you'ld have the squares for 41 and up. You already have the square for 43 now right?

Yes that's an interesting idea...

45 = 41 + 4*1
46 = 42 + 4*1
47 = 43 + 4*1
48 = 44 + 4*1
49 = 41 + 4*2
...
100 = 44 + 4*14

He said that it would be much easier to do with 48.
Does that fit?


thanks for your answer!

greets
soeren
 
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any suggestions how he found these squares for 41, 42, ... ?

Or does someone of you know the other squares?

greets
soeren
 

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