Ground Effect Flying: Crafting a Model with Rotors & Props

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the feasibility of designing a craft that utilizes specially designed rotors or props to exploit ground effect, focusing on efficiency improvements compared to traditional helicopters. Participants explore theoretical aspects, potential designs, and practical challenges associated with this concept.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes creating a craft with rotors designed to maximize ground effect efficiency, suggesting a potential 30% improvement over helicopters.
  • Another participant questions the practicality, noting that ground effect limits mobility and load capacity, comparing it to car-like movement.
  • There is a suggestion that the craft could hover over water, distinguishing it from traditional flying machines.
  • A reference is made to historical designs, such as a Russian fixed-wing vehicle that utilized ground effect, prompting a discussion about rotary craft adaptations.
  • Participants express a desire for equations or resources related to ground effect to aid in design development.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that while the concept is possible, there are significant limitations and challenges. Multiple competing views exist regarding the practicality and efficiency of the proposed design.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific design parameters, the need for stability mechanisms, and unresolved questions about load capacity and mobility in various terrains.

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Hey all, I was wondering if it would be possible to make a craft that used specially designed rotors or props placed under a craft that were made to take advantage of the ground effect (ie a large surface area, endcaps on them and so on) as long as stability was taken care of by way of auto correction of airflow or a gyroscope, it would probably be more efficent than a copter, as long as it stayed around one diameter of its rotor above the ground. Any thoughts or ideas on how to make this more of a reality? I may be looking into makeing a model to get all the kinks out if I feel I have enough data and good ideas to back it up. Thanks --David
 
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You mean a hovercraft?
 
yes, except without the use of a skirt. Its more like a helicopter with the rotors on the bottom. But by taking advantage of the ground effect, I think efficency could be boosted by 30% or so
 
Sure it's possible. You would be taking advantage of in ground effect, but that drastically limits you on what you can do. You wouldn't be able to lift heavy loads, you really would still have the same mobility as a car because you would be terrain limited.

Is it possible? Sure. Would it work? Sure. Would it be easy? No.
 
Well, I would agree with you on the car mobility, except that it would also be able to hover over water as well. The point of this would not be to create a true flying machine, only to make a different type of WIG (wing in ground effect vehicle) that does not have to have its entire body in motion to remain in flight. Thanks for the comments though, they are helping me to ask the right questions to improve my design and my goals. On that note, does anyone have any formulas or a place I can find them for myself, on ground effect specificly? Thanks
 
ah yes very cool, The Europlane or something of the sort I believe it was called. it is impressive. But as you can see it is a fixed wing design, a modification on an airplane as it were, What do you think of a rotory craft based on the ground effect modifications? (i.e. a modification on a helicopter)
 
Anyway, I know it may be difficult, but if its all the same to you guys, I would still enjoy working some of the problems out, so if anyone can help direct me to some equations specificly for ground effect, I would greatly appreciate it, thanks
 

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