Prove that a set is a monoid, but not a ring.

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The discussion revolves around proving that the set End n(k) of all polynomial mappings from k^n to k^n forms a monoid, while also demonstrating that it does not qualify as a ring. The focus includes theoretical aspects of algebraic structures, specifically properties of function composition and the definitions of monoids and rings.

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  • One participant asserts that they need to prove End n(k) is a monoid by showing that composition is associative and that there is a unit element.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of proving associativity, suggesting it is a basic result of function composition.
  • There is a discussion about whether the composition of mappings F and G in End n(k) remains in End n(k), with some participants finding this self-evident.
  • Participants explore the criteria for End n(k) not being a ring, particularly focusing on the failure of distributivity.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to formally prove associativity and the closure of composition within End n(k).

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Participants generally agree that composition is associative and that End n(k) has a unit element, but there is uncertainty regarding the necessity of proving these properties. The discussion about End n(k) not being a ring is less clear, with different viewpoints on the implications of distributivity.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the proofs required for associativity and closure under composition, indicating a potential lack of clarity on foundational definitions or prior knowledge. The discussion does not resolve whether all necessary properties for a ring are satisfied.

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Readers interested in algebraic structures, particularly those studying properties of monoids and rings, may find this discussion relevant.

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End n(k) is the set of all polynomial mappings: k^n->k^n. i have to prove that end n(k) is a monoid.

k is a field of q elements and n is the number of variables.

the composition of two mappings F G is: F o G = F o G(v) = [F1(G1(v),..Gn(v)), ... Fn(G1(v),...Gn(v))]

i must prove that the composition is associative and that there is a unit element.

id=X=(x1,...,xn) is obviously the unit.

but how do i prove associativity? i was thinking of using commutativity somehow:(x^n)^m = x^(n*m) = x^(m*n) = (x^m)^n

last, how do i show that End n(k) is not a ring? is it distributivity it fails? for all x,y,z E A ->
(x+y)z=xz + yz og z(x+y)=zx + zy
 
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i must prove that the composition is associative

You should already know that!


last, how do i show that End n(k) is not a ring?

I presume you mean with composition as the multiplicative operation?

is it distributivity it fails?

Well, if it's not a ring, and all of the other properties are satisfied, then it would have to be!
 
i guess it is obvious that composition is associative, but I'm not sure how to prove it.

and yes, composition is the multiplicative operation.
 
Associativity is a basic result about the composition of functions -- it shouldn't be something you have to prove.

But if you really want to do it, simply use the definition of composition.
 
hm, ok. so i guess then i have to show that if F and G is in End n(k), then so is F o G in End n(k). however, this seems pretty obvious to me. how do prove that? is there a elegant proof of this?
 
You always had to prove the composition of two things in End n(k) was again in End n(k) -- I had assumed you had already done that, or I would have said something.
 

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