Periodic Wave Solutions of the Wave Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the periodic wave solutions of the wave equation, specifically examining the conditions under which functions of the form f(x,t) = X(x)cos(wt) can be considered solutions. Participants explore the implications of periodicity in both space and time, as well as the mathematical derivations related to the wave equation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that every "spatially periodic" function of the form f(x,t) = X(x)cos(wt) is a solution of the wave equation.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that if f(x,t) is periodic, there is a strict relationship between the periodicity in space and time, suggesting that the wave equation imposes specific conditions on the form of f(x,t).
  • A further contribution discusses the derivation of the wave equation in one dimension, leading to the conclusion that X(x) must be a harmonic function, specifically of the form X(x) = A sin(kx) + B cos(kx), with a restriction on k related to the wave speed.
  • One participant suggests that the simplest case, f(x,t) = cos(wt), does not satisfy the wave equation unless ω = 0, indicating a potential flaw in the initial claim about periodic functions being solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the conditions under which functions of the specified form can be solutions to the wave equation. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial claim about periodic functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions about periodicity and the dependence of the wave equation on the specific forms of the functions involved. The mathematical steps and relationships between variables remain unresolved.

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Every "spacially periodic" function [i.e. s.t there exist P s.t. f(x+P,t) = f(x,t)] of the form f(x,t) = X(x)cos(wt) is a solution of the wave equation.
 
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True...
 
quasar,

False.

For one thing, if f(x,t) is periodic (and it doesn't have to be periodic), then there's a strict relation between the periodicity in x and in t. In other words, in an example using your format, if f(x,t) = sin(kx)cos(wt), then w/k = v.

It's not too hard to see what the wave equation is saying about f(x,t) if you think about it. Within a multiplicative constant, the two partial derivatives are the same. That means f has to depend on x and t in very similar ways. I think the most general form for f(x,t) that satisfies the W.E. is f(kx-wt). Certainly any function of that form will work. Although that's not really what you were asking.
 
Uh oh!

James R., I posted before I saw yours. Why do you say it's true?
 
Hmm... Here are my thoughts. I think I might have changed my mind!

At first, I thought that any function of the form f(x,t) = X(x)cos wt will describe a standing wave, and so it is necessarily a solution of the wave equation.

But then...

The wave equation, in 1 dimension, is:

[tex]\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2} - \frac{\partial^2 f}{v^2 \partial t^2} = 0[/tex]

where v is a constant (the wave speed).

Using the function given, we have:

[tex]\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x^2} = \frac{d^2 X}{dx^2}\cos \omega t[/tex]
[tex]\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial t^2} = -\omega^2 X(x)\cos \omega t[/tex]

Therefore, we require:

[tex]\frac{d^2 X}{dx^2} + \frac{X}{v^2} = 0[/tex]

This restricts X(x) to harmonic functions of the form:

[tex]X(x) = A \sin kx + B \cos kx[/tex]

where A and B are arbitrary constants, but k is restricted:

[tex]k=\omega / v[/tex]

So, it seems that the most general functions of the given form which satisfy the wave equation are:

[tex]f(x,t) = [A \sin kx + B \cos kx]\cos \omega t[/tex]

with the above restriction on k.

Does that seem right?
 
You don't you just work out the simplest case: [itex]f(x,t)=\cos(wt)[/itex].
We clearly have [itex]f(x+P,t)=f(x,t)[/itex] for any t (and any P).
The wave equation clearly doesn't hold in this case (unless [itex]\omega=0[/itex], but I understand [itex]\omega[/itex] can be arbitrary).
 

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