Calculating Work Along a Helix Using Line Integrals

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a force field along a helix using line integrals. Participants explore the correct parameterization of the helix and the appropriate limits for integration, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the force field F(x,y,z) = <4y,2xz,3y> and the helix parameterization x=2 cos t, y=2 sin t, z=3t, asking for help in computing the work done along this path.
  • Another participant suggests the integral form for calculating work and emphasizes the need to determine the correct bounds for t based on the endpoints.
  • A different participant expresses confusion regarding the values to substitute into the parameterization, proposing an alternative linear path instead of the helix.
  • One participant critiques the alternative approach, noting that it transforms the helix into a straight line and suggests that the force field may not be conservative, which would necessitate integrating along the helix.
  • Another participant confirms their understanding of the parameterization and seeks clarification on the limits of integration, proposing a range of 0 < t < 3(pi).
  • Subsequent replies clarify that the second endpoint does not correspond to t=3(pi), leading to a revised understanding of the limits for integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the parameterization of the helix and the need to integrate along it. However, there is disagreement regarding the correct limits for integration, with some proposing 0 < t < 3(pi) and others suggesting a different range.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the nature of the force field (whether it is conservative) and the implications for the integration method. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the parameterization and limits.

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Greetings All Again,

I wanted to thank you for the reply on my other problem, it was indeed very helpful and this is a very strange problem. So here goes :

Compute the work done by the force field F(x,y,z) = <4y,2xz,3y> acting on an object as it moves along the helix defined parametrically by
x=2 cos t, y=2 sin t, z=3t, from the point (2,0,0) to the point (-2,0,3(pi)).

Thanks
 
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this is just

[tex]\int_C 4y \ dx + 2xy \ dy + 3y \ dz[/tex]

where C is the curve you defined above. You know the parameterization. Just solve for the values of [itex]t[/itex] that give you the endpoints (to get the appropriate bounds), and sub in the parameterized x, y, z, dx, dy, dz.
 
With this problem, assuming i worked it correctly, i got the values for the parameticize. I am confused about what values to plug into x,y, and z. either what i just solved or the other values for x,y, and z. x = 2cost, y = 2sint, and z = 3t.

r(t)=(1-t)<2,0,0> + t<-2,0,3(pi)>

x(t)=-4t+2
y(t)=0
z(t)=3(pi)t


I hope this makes sense.
 
i have absolutely no idea what you're doing there. The parameterization is given in the question, x(t) = 2cos t, y(t) = 2sin t, z(t) = 3t. All you need to do is find the bounds on t (using the endpoints given) and take the integral.
 
physicsmajor, what you've done on this probllem, with yoru parametricization, is turned your path from a helix into a straight line. you should be computing along the helix.

now, if your vector field is conservative, you can do that, the straight line approach, which makes things much easier, but, i'd imagine it's not conservative or you wouldn't be told to integrate along the helix.
 
thanks trance, i actually figured that out a few hours after i made that post. i guess i am having trouble finding the limits to integrate from. I believe they are from 0 < t < 3(pi), but i am not sure.
 
0<t is correct, but at the second endpoint you need [itex]z=3t=3\pi[/itex], and does [itex]t=3\pi[/itex] solve that?
 
no it does not, so its from 0<t<(pi)
 
sounds good to me.
 
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you the man data!
 

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