Local Maximum of a Differentiable Function Using the Mean Value Theorem

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Mean Value Theorem (MVT) to demonstrate that a differentiable function has a local maximum at a point where its derivative is zero. Participants explore the implications of the conditions given in the problem and consider variations in those conditions.

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  • One participant presents a problem involving a function f(x) that is differentiable in an interval and has a derivative of zero at a point x_0, questioning how to prove that f(x) has a local maximum at x_0.
  • Another participant suggests that showing f(x_0) > f(x) for x near x_0 is sufficient, but expresses concern about not using the condition f'(x_0) = 0 in their reasoning.
  • A hypothetical scenario is proposed where the condition f'(x_0) = 0 is replaced with f being non-differentiable at x_0, questioning whether the conclusion would still hold.
  • One participant speculates that if f is continuous at x_0, the conclusion might still be valid, although they are unsure how to prove it.
  • Another participant asserts that the original reasoning is correct, stating that the hypotheses were too strong and that continuity at x_0 is sufficient for the conclusion.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the necessity of differentiability at x_0 and whether continuity alone suffices to establish the local maximum. There is no consensus on the implications of changing the differentiability condition.

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Participants discuss the implications of the Mean Value Theorem under different conditions, highlighting the importance of continuity and differentiability in their arguments. Some steps in the reasoning are left out for brevity, and the discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem's requirements.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in the applications of the Mean Value Theorem, particularly in understanding local maxima and the role of differentiability and continuity in mathematical proofs.

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Hello everyone, I'm stuck on a MVT question. Can someone please help me out? Its not really a homework question, I'm doing this question to enhance my understanding of various things.

Q. Where a < x_0 < b, suppose that f(x) is differentiable in (a,b) and f'(x_0) = 0. Suppose also that for some delta > 0 , f'(x) > 0 for all [tex]x \in \left( {x_0 - \delta ,x_0 } \right)[/tex] and f'(x) < 0 for all [tex]x \in \left( {x_0 ,x_0 + \delta } \right)[/tex]. Prove that f(x) has a local maximum at x = x_0.

Here is what I have done. I have left out some minor steps so that people can easily and quickly understand my working.

Consider a function f(x) which is continuous on [a,b] and differentiable on (a,b) as given in the the question.

Let [tex]x_0 - \delta < x_0 + \delta[/tex] be in [a,b](btw for this particular question does it make any difference if I say let ... be in [a,b] or (a,b)?).

Case 1: By the MVT we have

[tex] \frac{{f\left( {x_0 + \delta } \right) - f\left( {x_0 } \right)}}{{\left( {x_0 + \delta } \right) - x_0 }} = f'(d),d \in \left( {x_0 ,x_0 + \delta } \right)[/tex]

[tex] \Rightarrow f\left( {x_0 + \delta } \right) - f\left( {x_0 } \right) < 0[/tex] since f'(x) < 0 for [tex]x \in \left( {x_0 ,x_0 + \delta } \right)[/tex].

So [tex]f(x_0 ) > f\left( {x_0 + \delta } \right)...(1)[/tex].

In a similar manner(I left out the working associated with the following statement to make this post more concise), using the MVT on the interval [tex]\left( {x_0 - \delta ,x_0 } \right)[/tex] it can be shown that:

[tex]f(x_0 ) > f\left( {x_0 - \delta } \right)...(2)[/tex]

From (1) and (2) it can be seen that f(x_0) > f(x) for all x 'near' x_0 and the given result follows? This is the part I am worried about. It seems to me it is sufficient to show that f(x_0) >= f(x) for x near x_0 but I have only been able to get to a strictly greater than condition. Moreover, I haven't used the given equation f'(x_0) = 0 so my answer is obviously incorrect. Can someone please help me produce a proper answer to this question?
 
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Benny said:
From (1) and (2) it can be seen that f(x_0) > f(x) for all x 'near' x_0 and the given result follows? This is the part I am worried about. It seems to me it is sufficient to show that f(x_0) >= f(x) for x near x_0 but I have only been able to get to a strictly greater than condition.

So you've shown something stronger, that's fine! If a>b then a>=b.

Benny said:
Moreover, I haven't used the given equation f'(x_0) = 0 so my answer is obviously incorrect. Can someone please help me produce a proper answer to this question?

What if we changed the condition of f'(x_0) = 0 to say "f is not differentiable at x_0" but left everything else the same. Would the conclusion still be true? If so how would you prove it?
 
I'm not sure but if f is not differentiable at x = x_0 but continuous at x = x_0, and everything else stayed the same, since I treated the cases of x < x_0 and x> x_0 separately, using the MVT, my conclusion that f(x_0) > f(x) near x = x_0 should still hold true. I'm not sure how to prove it though.
 
WHAAT IS x_0 [phonetically] /?
 
extreme_machinations said:
WHAAT IS x_0 [phonetically] /?

x_0, also denoted as [tex]x_0[/tex], is usually pronounced as "x not" and refers to the initial condition of a variable (in contrast to the final variable [tex]x_f[/tex].
 
your "obviously incorrect" answer is actually correct. i.e. the hypotheses were far too strong. you only needed continuity at x0, (and differentiability elsewhere).

I.e. applying MVT to the interval [xo-delta, xo] shows that f is increasing there, and applying it to the other side shows f is decreasing there. QED.
 
Thanks for the confirmation mathwonk. I should have thought about what I was actually doing instead of just reading too deeply into the wording of the question.
 

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