Thermodynamics - Change in volume

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the change in volume of a gold bridge on planet Tehar due to temperature variations throughout the year. Participants are tasked with calculating the percentage increase in volume between winter and summer temperatures, given the thermal expansion coefficient for gold.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the volume change using equations for temperature-induced volume expansion but expresses confusion over the lack of initial volume information. Some participants question the relevance of volume change given the bridge's description as a long slab, suggesting that length variation might be more pertinent.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting methods to calculate length changes instead of volume. There is a recognition of differing answers regarding the percentage increase in volume, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the results.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted discrepancy in significant figures, as the thermal expansion coefficient is given to two significant figures while the problem requests a three significant figure answer. This raises questions about the appropriateness of precision in the calculations.

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The next few questions refer to the Golden Great Bridge, built on planet Tehar in a galaxy far, far away. The bridge-building technology on Tehar is not very well developed: The bridge is just a long slab of pure gold with the opposite ends resting on the shores of the river.

In the spring, when the air temperature is 100 degrees Celsius, the length of the bridge is 160.0 klops (the klop is the unit of length on Tehar). Answer the questions below knowing that the value of alpha for gold is 1.4*10^-5.

Temperature in Winter: -150 degrees celsius
Temperature in Summer: 700 degrees celsius

By what percentage does the volume of the bridge increase between the winter and the summer?


I don't really know how to go about doing this question because it doesn't give the initial volume of the bridge. I tried to write 2 equations, one for the change in volume between winter and spring and another for the change in volume between spring and summer. I then canceled out the volume in spring in both equations and rearranged the combined equation to get volume in summer/volume in winter and got an answer of 1.04 which i * by 100 to get 104%, which was wrong. What is the proper way I'm meant to approach this question because that is the only way I can see to do it.
 
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hi janiexo

the question is wrong i guess...because u have mentioned that bridge is just a long slab...so here there is no usa of talking abt its volume change throughout the year...the variation in length maybe a useful matter to discuss here...i think so...
 
nomorevishnu said:
hi janiexo

the question is wrong i guess...because u have mentioned that bridge is just a long slab...so here there is no usa of talking abt its volume change throughout the year...the variation in length maybe a useful matter to discuss here...i think so...

The two questions before it were related to length:
*By what amount (deltaL) does the length of the bridge decrease during the Teharian winter when the temperature hovers around -150 degrees celsius
* By what amount does the length of the bridge increase during the Teharian summer when the temperature hovers around 700 degrees celsius?

I got them without too much problem, but the volume question is another matter :(
 
You can find by what percentage the length changes, without knowing the length using [itex]L = L_0 (1 + \alpha \Delta T)[/itex].

Do the same thing for the volume (which is [itex]L^3[/itex]), realizing that since [itex]\alpha[/itex] is small you can ignore terms with higher powers of [itex]\alpha[/itex].
 
I must not have understood because I got the same answer of 104%... or should it be 4% maybe? It says to "Express your answer as a percentage. Use three significant figures."
 
104 versus 4 = big difference! :smile: The percentage increase in volume is only about 4 percent, not 104!

Kind of strange to calculate the percentage change to 3 sig figs, when alpha is only given to 2 sig figs. :rolleyes:
 
Haha yep it was around 4%... I can't believe I did all of the hard work and didn't even know whether it should be 104% or 4%. Thanks for your help :)
 

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