Derivation of the potential of a sphere

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the gravitational potential of a sphere, specifically in the context of the virial theorem. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and underlying assumptions related to a sphere of constant density.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the potential used in the virial theorem is given by 3/5 GM/r for a sphere of radius r and mass M, derived from bringing infinitesimally thin shells from infinity.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for the energy of a constant density sphere, presenting integrals involving mass and density.
  • A participant questions the derivation of the initial expressions provided, suggesting a need for clarification on the steps involved.
  • There is a correction noted regarding a potential typographical error in the initial claim about the energy expression.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the derivation process, and there are indications of confusion and corrections regarding the mathematical expressions involved.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions related to the derivation of gravitational potential, particularly concerning the treatment of spherical shells and the integration process.

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Hi,

I've been told in a lecture course that the potential used in the virial theorem (for our application) is 3/5 GM/r. This describes the potential for a sphere of radius r, mass M created by bringing infinitly thin shells from infinity to form the next 'layer' of the sphere. I am having difficulty deriving this for myself, anybody wana give it a try ??
 
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For a constant density sphere, that's:

[tex]E=-\frac{3}{5}\frac{GM^2}{R}[/tex]

[tex]E=-\int_0^R \frac{GM_r}{r}dm[/tex]

[tex]M_r=\frac{4}{3}\pi r^3\rho[/tex]

[tex]dm=4\pi r^2\rho dr[/tex]

[tex]E=-\frac{16\pi^2G\rho^2}{3}\int_0^R r^4dr=-\frac{16\pi^2G\rho^2}{15}R^5[/tex]

[tex]M=\frac{4}{3}\pi R^3\rho[/tex]

[tex]E=-\frac{3}{5}\frac{GM^2}{R}[/tex]
 
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Spacetiger: Where do the first two lines follow from?
 
whozum said:
Spacetiger: Where do the first two lines follow from?

The first one is just correcting the result. I'm pretty sure he had mis-typed it. The second is summing over the potentials of spherical shells at a radius r and with a width of dr (brought in from infinity and assuming the potential is zero at infinity).
 
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yep i missed the squared out ... thanks for your help :)
 

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