Homogeneous and particular solution

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) of the form Vz'' + 1/r * Vz' = k, where Vz represents a variable dependent on r, and k is a constant. Participants are exploring methods to find both the general and particular solutions of this equation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant clarifies that Vz is the velocity in the z direction, dependent on the variable r.
  • Another participant suggests making a substitution, u(r) = dvz/dr, to simplify the equation.
  • A different participant proposes multiplying the entire equation by r² to transform it into an "Euler-type" equation, leading to a linear equation with constant coefficients after a change of variables.
  • This participant further derives the general solution in terms of r, expressing Vz(r) as (k/4)r² + C1ln(r) + C2 after integrating the transformed equation twice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to have differing interpretations of the variable Vz and its context, with some confusion regarding its representation. The discussion includes multiple approaches to solving the ODE, indicating that no consensus has been reached on a single method or solution.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of the variable Vz and its relationship to r, as well as the implications of the proposed substitutions and transformations on the original equation.

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hi,

I have this ODE and I need to obtain the general and the particular solution, this is the ODE

Vz''+1/r*Vz'= k

where k is a constant

thanks
 
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dextercioby said:
Who's "V"...?

Daniel.
I think it is a "she"..
 
Vz is just the velocity in the z direction, It's nothing more than my variable. Vz changed with respect to r.

Vz(r)''+1/r*Vz(r)' = k
 
Make the substitution

[tex]\frac{dv_{z}}{dr}=u(r)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
I THINK (it surely isn't clear) that the OP mean that Vz is the function to be solved for.

Assuming also that r is the independent variable, we can multiply the entire equation by r2 to get the "Euler-type" (or "equipotential") equation r2Vz"+ rVz'= kr2. If we let x= ln r, (so that r= ex) we can rewrite that as a linear equation with constant coefficients. Specifically, (I'm writing "y" in place of "Vz" just because it is easier) dy/dr= dy/dx dx/dr= (1/r)(dy/dx) and d2y/dr2= d/dr((1/r)dy/dx)= (-1/r2(dy/dx)+ (1/r2)d2y/dx2.
The equation becomes d2y/dx2= ke2x. Integrating once, dy/dt= (k/2)e2x+ C1. Integrating a second time, y= (k/4)e2x+ C1x+ C2. ex= r so e2x= r2. In terms of r, y(r)= Vz(r)= (k/4)r2+ C1ln r+ C2.
 
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dextercioby said:
A what...?A "she"...?:confused:

Daniel.
Perhaps I was wrong then..
 

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