Do Magnetic Fields Travel From Source to Object?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of magnetic fields and whether they travel from a source to an object, particularly in the context of obstacles that may impede their effects. Participants explore theoretical implications, conceptual clarifications, and the relationship between electric and magnetic fields.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Alex questions whether magnetic fields are made of particles or waves that travel from the source to an object, and whether obstacles can affect this interaction.
  • Some participants clarify that a field is a value at each point in space and that waves can exist within a field, but a field itself is not made of waves or particles.
  • One participant argues that the electric field is fundamental, and that magnetic fields derive from electric fields, suggesting that all magnetic fields are essentially waves in electric fields.
  • Alex further inquires if fields can be blocked by obstacles or if they affect charged matter regardless of such obstacles, suggesting a belief in the infinite reach of electromagnetic fields.
  • Another participant asserts that while fields cannot be blocked, they can be canceled by other fields or by themselves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of fields, the relationship between electric and magnetic fields, and the effects of obstacles on field interactions. No consensus is reached on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the definitions and interactions of fields without resolving the implications of obstacles on field effects or the foundational nature of magnetic versus electric fields.

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Are fields like magnetic fields made of particles/waves that travel from the source outwards? For example, if you put an obstacle(that would not let photons pass) between the source and a charged object, would the charge be affected? Or do fields interact with objects independantly from what's between the source and the object?

Thanks,

Alex
 
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Strictly speaking, a "field" is simply a value of some quantity at each point in space. One can have waves IN a field (i.e. the values are changing in a wave-like manner) but it would be incorrect to talk about a field as "made of" of waves or particles.

Light, for example, is a wave in an electro-magnetic field (in order to have waves, the field must have both electric and magnetic components- a magnetic field alone will not produce waves). At the quantum level (and in particular at the level of individual light waves), the distinction between particles and waves blurs and you can think of it as being either one.
 
Originally posted by HallsofIvy Light, for example, is a wave in an electro-magnetic field (in order to have waves, the field must have both electric and magnetic components- a magnetic field alone will not produce waves)
This is not quite correct. The basic field is the electric field. The electric field derives from charged particles, most frequently electrons.

Any motion of the charged particles causes kinks in its electric field. these kinks are electromagnetic waves. All electromagnetic waves are kinks in an electric field.

When the motion of charged particles is constant and along a defined path, as when current flows in a wire, the kinks in the electric field are also constant and we can detect a coherent magnetic field.

The electric field is radiant, pointing out in all directions from the charged particle. The waves in the electric field that form the magnetic field are transverse.

The above describes the action whereby all magnetic fields are generated: from electric fields. Magnetic fields are waves in electric fields. With this in mind, you will see why it is not quite correct to say: "in order to have waves, a field must have both electric and magnetic components." We only need start with an electric field. We "wave" it (move it somehow) and the magnetic component follows.

Therefore "...a magnetic field alone will not produce waves", is true, but true because the magnetic field is, itself already waves. There really is no such thing as a "magnetic field alone" with no electric component. If there is no electric component, there is no magnetic component, since the latter derives from the former.
 
Thx for replies guys. So could a field (or at least its effects) be blocked by an obstacle, or does it affect all the matter (well, charged matter for electro-magnetic fields) in its area of effect (which is infinite for electro-magnetic and gravitationnal fields, right?), regardless of obstacles and the like?

Alex
 
It can't be blocked, but it can be canceled by other fields
or even by itself.
 

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