Is the sum of all angles in a triangle always 180 degrees?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of statements regarding the sum of angles in a triangle, with a focus on identifying which statements may be true or false. The conversation touches on logical reasoning, the nature of statements, and the implications of requests versus assertions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the first statement about the sum of angles being 180 degrees is valid in a plane, while the second statement about it being 181 degrees is valid on a curved surface with positive Gaussian curvature.
  • Others challenge the validity of the statements, suggesting that one of them must be false, and propose that the statement about ignoring spelling errors is not a valid assertion.
  • There is a suggestion that the phrase "ONE OF THE STATEMENT IS FALSE" could itself be false if it refers to the first two statements being true.
  • Some participants argue that a request should not be considered a statement, while others contend that it can still hold a truth value.
  • A participant references a discrete math course to support the claim that requests do not have truth values and therefore cannot be classified as statements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of statements versus requests, with no consensus reached on whether the statements are true or false. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the statements presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of determining the truth value of statements that reference themselves or include requests, indicating a need for careful logical analysis.

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THE SUM OF ALL ANGLES IN TRIANGLE IS 180 DEGREE
THE SUM OF ALL ANGLES IN TRIANGLE IS 181 DEGREE
ONE OF THE STATEMENT IS FALSE
PLEASE IGNORE SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERROR(S)

Which statement is false?
 
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None of them:the first is valid in a plane,the second is valid on a curved surface of very small positive gaussian curvature.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
None of them:the first is valid in a plane,the second is valid on a curved surface of very small positive gaussian curvature.

Daniel.

nope, there are one wrong statement
btw, your answer is part of the trick
 
The answer is PLEASE IGNORE SPELLING AND GRAMMATICAL ERROR(S) because I didn't ignore spelling and grammatical error(s).
 
Isn't that more of a request than a statement?
If what Dex says about statements 1 & 2 is true, I'd say:
If statement 3 refers to 1 & 2, then that would be the incorrect statement[/color]
 
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I think there's a trick here:the correct answer should be:"ONE OF THE STATEMENT IS FALSE",because the first 2 are true,while the last is true,because we ignored all spelling errors to understand what the OP wanted to say".

It doesn't make too much sense,though.

Daniel.
 
Does "ONE OF THE STATEMENT IS FALSE" mean one of the above statements is false? If so, "ONE OF THE STATEMENT IS FALSE" would be false.[/color]
Eh, dex's post just magically appeared. Strange.
 
dextercioby got it on the second guess.
yes, honestrosewater. i suppose to write 'above'
 
the trick is that there is 4 statements, the last one is a request, so cannot be true or false- just as what matthyaouw says. the first and the second statement is true.
 
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In my opinion, a request is a statement. But my answer was meant to be tongue in cheek, don't overanalyze it.
 
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In the formal logical sense, a request is not a statement.
 
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It needs to NOT refer to itself. If it includes itself as "one of the statements", it says: the first statements is false OR the second statement is false OR this statement is false. Surely that looks familiar?? The first and second statements are not false, so the truth of the third statement depends on the truth of the third statement. :wink:
 
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BicycleTree said:
In the formal logical sense, a request is not a statement.
Can you provide a citation for this?
 
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Well, my source was my discrete math course, which used the book Discrete and Combinatorial Mathematics by Ralph P. Grimaldi. It must be possible to determine whether a statement is true or false, except in the case of open statements, which may have variables, and upon substitution of the variables open statements can also be determined true or false. A request has no truth value, so it's not a statement. Commands, interjections, questions, and phrases are also not statements.
 

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