Deriving the energy of a magnetic dipole in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around deriving the energy of a magnetic dipole in a magnetic field, specifically the expression U = -m·B, where m is the dipole moment and B is the magnetic field. Participants are exploring various approaches to this problem within the context of undergraduate electrodynamics.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the energy expression using torque and integrals, while others suggest using the dipolar approximation for the magnetic potential vector. Some participants question the integration constant and its relevance in the context of energy derivation.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing various methods and insights. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the dipolar approximation and the relationship between force, torque, and potential energy. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and approaches, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants express uncertainty about the application of Maxwell's equations and the relevance of tensor calculus. There are mentions of specific textbooks and resources that may aid in understanding the derivation, highlighting the challenges faced with existing materials.

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For an undergraduate electrodynamics homework problem we were asked to derive the following:

(griffiths 6.21)

show that the energy of a magnetic dipole in a magnetic field B is given by -

U = -m.B

where
B is the magnetic field
and
m is the dipole moment.

I went about this by saying that the dipole will experience a torque when its in the magnetic field that will effectivly move it through an angular displacement such that it points in the same direction as the magnetic field (the effective angle between them is 0 as they are now parallel to each other)

so we get the following

N(torque) = m.B = m.B.sin(theta)

U = (intergral){B.m.sin(theta) d(theta)}
= -B.m.cos(theta) + C

or we can assume that its a definite integral from the bounds theta to pi/2
if we were to substitute pi/2 into the above solution we'd get

(bounds for the integral 0 to pi/2)

= -B.m.cos (0) + B.m.cos(pi/2)
= -B.m


However this would not be the electroynamics approach as i didn't use an of maxwell's equations, so how would i use the other approach?

Thanx in advance
 
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It is the correct way to do it.That potential energy comes from a force which creates a torque.

For the electromagnetic way to do it,use the dipolar approximation for the magnetic potential vector.

Daniel.

EDIT:Please,do not double post,okay ? If it's a HW question,ask it here.If not,use the other forums.
 
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sorry for the double post i just needed a quick answer

but I'm stil unsure about using the dipole approximation for the magnetic potential vector, and also where to start from.

I believe the method is similar to finding electric potential only we need a term to represent the magnetic field

I picked up jackson for a shortcut to the solution but got more confused. They brought in taylor exapansions to relate force and torque. Then by methods of tensor calculas (which is beyond me I'm only in second year) they got to the equation

F = (m X del) X B = grad(m.B) - m(del . B)

since del . B = 0
the lowest order force on a localized current distribution in an Ext B is
F = del(m.b)

and then jackson stated that
"The potential energy of a permanent magnetic moment (or dipole) in an external magnetic field can be obtained from either the force or the torque. If we interpret the force as the negative gradient of a petential energy U, we find

U = -m.B "


for a magnetic moment in a uniform field the torque canbe interpreted as the negative derivative of U with respect to the angle between B and m." (jackson, second edition p 18)


I think i might need to read up on faraday's law and see if i can get anywhere with this.
 
Yes,that's what i had in mind.Dipolar expression of the magnetic potential and inserting it in the expression of the interaction lagrangian.


Daniel.
 
i'm sorry you lost me with the lagrangian
- could you suggest some topics i should read up on to get the derivation
and are there any griffiths solutions sites or online ebooks that come with derivations. Griffiths is getting annoying where whenever there's a derivation there's a side note saying "The derivations are left as exercises - enjoy!"

After classes today i'll be borrowing feymans lecture notes to see if It can help with the elctrodynamic derivation.

thanks so far
 
Did you follow a derivation with the electric part...?It should go the same.However,this time,u better know some simple tensor calculus.

Daniel.
 
I got the solution but i was wondering what reason i should use to cancel out the Integration constant i used above. Feynman stated that there's additional energy that is used up when a loop of wire moves in a magnetic field and jackson sated that it is what's required to keep the current constant which in turn keeps the magentic dipole constant (? p186) and both books have consequently stated that the integration constant can be assumed to be zero. But why?

Also since i did get the electrodynamic solution using tau = m X B should i still post it up just in case other people face the problem in the future?

And I'd like to add - Feynmans lectures on physics is by far the most comprehensible and readable book for electrodynamics I've come across - it has no gaps which griffiths and jackson most comfortably and extensivly use to 'get their point across'.
Is purcell worth picking up for the remainder of this course?


thanks a lot dextercioby
 
Yes,Berkeley's course is in the same explanatory style as Feynman.Basic stuff,if you compare it with Jackson,which,no doubt,is a graduate course.

Daniel.
 
Here's my solution to the problem.

'Assuming a system of pointlike particles interact with the EM-field described by [itex]\varphi,\vec{A}[/itex],the Lagrangian of interaction in the noncovariant formalism is given by

[tex]\mathcal{L}_{int}^{\mbox{particles-field}}=\sum_{a}q_{a}\vec{v}_{a}\cdot\vec{A}\left(\vec{r}_{a}\right)[/tex] (1)

,where the electric interaction part has been neglected due to irrelevance to this specific problem.

The interaction potential energy is equal to the interaction Hamiltonian and equal to "-" times the interaction lagrangian

[tex]U_{int}^{\mbox{particles-field}}=-\sum_{a} q_{a}\vec{v}_{a}\cdot\vec{A}\left(\vec{r}_{a}\right)[/tex] (2)

Let's assume a Taylor expansion of the vector magnetic potential,allowing at most the linear term in the potential (the so-called dipolar approximation).

[tex]\vec{A}\left(\vec{r}_{a}\right)\simeq\vec{A}\left(\vec{0}\right)+\left(\vec{r}_{a}\cdot\nabla^{a}\right)\vec{A}\left(\vec{r}_{a}\right)\left|_{\vec{r}_{a}=\vec{0}}\right[/tex] (3)

Assuming a gauge in which the constant term to the magnetic potential is 0 (i.e.neglecting the polar approximation),one gets the interaction potential energy in the dipolar approximation:

[tex]U_{int}^{\mbox{particles-field,dipolar}}=-\sum_{a} q_{a}\vec{v}_{a}\cdot\left(\vec{r}_{a}\cdot\nabla^{a}\right)\vec{A}\left(\vec{r}_{a}\right)[/tex] (4)

,where i dropped the "taken at the origin",because it's understood by "dipolar".

The dipolar magnetic moment of a system of pointlike charges is

[tex]\vec{\mu}=\frac{1}{2}\sum_{a}q_{a}\left(\vec{r}_{a}\times\vec{v}_{a}\right)[/tex] (5)

Using tensor notation for (4) & (5),one gets

[tex]U_{int}^{\mbox{particles-field,dipolar}}=-\sum_{a} q_{a}v^{a}_{i}\left(x_{j}^{a}\partial_{j}\right)A_{i}[/tex] (4')

[tex]\mu_{i}=\frac{1}{2}\sum_{a}q_{a}\epsilon_{ijk}x_{j}^{a}v_{k}^{a}[/tex] (5')

From (5') one gets

[tex]\sum_{a} q_{a}v_{i}^{a}x_{j}^{a}=-\mu_{k}\epsilon_{kij}[/tex] (6)

And from (6) and (4'),one gets

[tex]U_{int}^{\mbox{particles-field,dipolar}}=\mu_{k}\epsilon_{kij}\partial_{j}A_{i} =-\vec{\mu}\cdot\vec{B}[/tex]

Q.e.d.

U may wonder why i dropped the particle indices one the potential and the derivatives.Simple.Multipolar approximations assume the charged particles be concentrated around the origin,that's why we're dealing with local fields (magnetic,electric and potentials).


Daniel.
 
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