Deriving the Analytic Function Derivative for Polar Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around deriving the analytic function derivative in polar coordinates, specifically examining the relationship between the derivatives of real and imaginary components of a complex function expressed in polar form. The focus is on the application of the chain rule and the conversion between Cartesian and polar coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the derivative of an analytic function in polar coordinates and questions its correctness based on their calculations.
  • Another participant challenges the application of the chain rule in the derivation, suggesting there may be an error in the approach taken.
  • A third participant attempts to clarify their process of applying the chain rule but expresses uncertainty about the interdependence of the variables involved.
  • A later reply provides a correction to the derivative of the real component, indicating a specific calculation for the derivative of r with respect to x.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the correct application of the chain rule and the derivation process. Uncertainty remains about the correctness of the initial derivative presented.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of variable dependencies and the correctness of the chain rule application in the context of polar coordinates.

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Take [itex]x=r\cos\theta[/itex] and [itex]y=r\sin\theta[/itex]

If [itex]f(z)=u(r,\theta) + iv(r,\theta)[/itex], is analytic with u and v real, show that the derivative is given by
[tex]f'(z) = \left( \cos\theta \frac{\partial u}{\partial r}- \sin\theta\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}\right) + i\left( \cos\theta\frac{\partial v}{\partial r} - \sin\theta\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial v}{\partial\theta} \right)[/tex]

Since f is analytic, I use the result
[tex]f'(z)=\frac{\partial u}{\partial x} + i\frac{\partial v}{\partial x}[/tex]
Though this seems to give
[tex]f'(z) = \left( (1/\cos\theta) \frac{\partial u}{\partial r}- (1/\sin\theta)\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}\right) + i\left( (1/\cos\theta)\frac{\partial v}{\partial r} - (1/\sin\theta)\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial v}{\partial\theta} \right)[/tex]

Can anyone see why this isn't correct?
 
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How did you apply the chain rule...?I think there's a problem with that.

Daniel.
 
I just did:

du/dx = (du/dr)(dr/dx) + (du/dtheta)(dtheta/dx)

though I think that's probably not quite right when I think about the dependence of the variables on each other...

Though the "units" look OK at first sight, I'm not sure that I can do that.
 
Here's where you went wrong

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial u}{\partial r}\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial u}{\partial\theta}\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial x}[/tex] (1)

[tex]\frac{\partial r}{\partial x}=\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}}=\frac{r\cos\theta}{r}=\cos\theta[/tex] (2)

Can u do the other derivative...?

Daniel.
 
Thanks. I'll look at that.
 

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