Energy is the capacity to do work

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy, its definitions, and its relationship to work, particularly focusing on kinetic and potential energy. Participants explore various interpretations and implications of energy in different contexts, including theoretical and practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that energy is the capacity to do work, defining work as the result of a force moving an object over a distance.
  • Others argue that energy also encompasses the capacity to transfer heat and can be associated with mass.
  • There are differing views on kinetic energy, with some stating it is the energy of motion and conserved when work is done, while others emphasize its role in specific contexts, such as collisions.
  • Potential energy is described variably, with references to electromagnetic and gravitational fields, as well as particle interactions in quantum electrodynamics.
  • One participant questions the notion of absolute energy, suggesting that energy may be relative, aligning with the belief that everything is relative except the speed of light.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of changes in potential energy rather than its absolute value, with references to classical dynamics and the work-energy principle.
  • Some participants express confusion or disagreement about the definitions and distinctions between energy, kinetic energy, and potential energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of energy, kinetic energy, and potential energy. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions of energy and may not account for all interpretations. The discussion includes references to classical mechanics and theoretical frameworks that may not be universally accepted.

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Energy is the capacity to do work. Work is the result when a force moves an
object by a distance. So Energy is the capacity to move an object by a distance by applying a force.

Now kinetic energy is what? and what is potential energy.

Suppose i am sitting on the surface of Earth what is the energy i have?
Do i have zero energy? Suppose i remove the surface below where i sit i
will go down. So can i say i have some energy?
 
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Energy is isn't just the capacity to do work. It is also the capacity to transfer heat. It can also be mass.

Kinetic energy is the energy you have by lieu of your movement. When you do work to move something, that energy is not lost but is conserved, in this case in the form of kinetic energy. It's the kinetic energy that's moving you - the work done to move something supplies this energy.

Potential energy has differing theories. In EM and GR, potential energy is the energy supplied by an electric or gravitational field, or the curvature of spacetime itself. In QED this energy is instead supplied by particles of energy traveling from one object to another.

Yes, you have a lot of energy. You have mass, therefore energy. You have kinetic energy regardless of whether you are moving, as a whole, through space. It is not necessarily true to say you have potential energy though - that is energy you may potential acquire.
 
chandran said:
Energy is the capacity to do work. Work is the result when a force moves an
object by a distance. So Energy is the capacity to move an object by a distance by applying a force.

Now kinetic energy is what? and what is potential energy.

Suppose i am sitting on the surface of Earth what is the energy i have?
Do i have zero energy? Suppose i remove the surface below where i sit i
will go down. So can i say i have some energy?
See - http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/mech/what_is_energy.htm

The absolute value of energy has little meaning. It is the constancy of energy that is important. You can assign any value you'd like to your energy. But changes in things like potential energy are what matters. I hope the above link helps.

Pete
 
is that true that there is absolute energy? in my opinion, i think energy is relative as what i used to believe everything is relative except the speed of light.
 
chandran said:
Energy is the capacity to do work. Work is the result when a force moves an
object by a distance. So Energy is the capacity to move an object by a distance by applying a force.

Now kinetic energy is what?
It is still the capacity to do work. But you are not necessarily interested in that work. For example, if you are in a moving vehicle, colliding with a tree does lots of (undesired) work on your vehicle. More usually, you use your brakes and the work that is done appears as heat in the brakes.

OTOH, if you are swinging an axe, you really are interested in this work; it is used to split wood, for example.
 
krab said:
It is still the capacity to do work.
That may sound nice but its flawed. Kinetic energy could also be defined as the capacity to do work. Its also true that potential energy can be defined as the capacity to do work. In fact Classical Dynamics of Particles & Systems - 3rd Ed., Marion and Thornton, Harcourt-Brace-Jovanovich, (1988) gives the following statement
Thus, if a particle of mass m is raised through the height h (by any path), then the amount of work mgh has to be done on the particle, and the particle can do an equal about of work in returning to its original position. This capacity to do work is called potential energy.

Pete
 
pmb_phy said:
That may sound nice but its flawed. Kinetic energy could also be defined as the capacity to do work.
weird comment. First you say it is flawed, then you repeat what I said.
 
krab said:
weird comment. First you say it is flawed, then you repeat what I said.
That is not what I said. I was distinguishing energy from kinetic energy. And I was also distinguishing energy from potential energy. Potential energy and kinetic energy are well defined. But "Energy" is not well defined.

Pete
 

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