Conservation of Energy Question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the efficiency of a pendulum by determining its mechanical and thermal energy. The original poster, Gary, expresses difficulty due to perceived insufficient information regarding the pendulum's motion and energy calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for speed measurements at various points to assess efficiency, with some questioning how to derive speed from the provided data. There is a focus on potential energy changes and kinetic energy calculations based on the pendulum's motion.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the relationship between the pendulum's diameter and the velocity calculation. Some guidance has been offered on potential energy and kinetic energy calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to determine speed.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of explicit information on the distance traveled by the pendulum bob, which is affecting the ability to calculate speed and efficiency. The discussion also highlights the constraints of using the given data effectively.

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Hi, there. I'm doing a correspondance physics course, and this one question has me stumped. I'm calculating the efficiency of a pendulum, and therefore need to find the mechanical energy, as well as the thermal energy. However, I don't think they've given me enough information.

Mass of pendulum bob = 240.3 g
Diameter of pendulum bob = 3.50 cm
Initial height of pendulum bob = 48.0 cm
Length of pendulum string = 2.14 m
Time interval photogate light interruption = 11.8 ms

*The photogate light interruption happens at the lowest point of the pendulum swing.

Thanks for your help,
-Gary
 
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You would certainly need to know the speed of the pendulum at various times- if the pendulum were 100% efficient (no friction) then you could find the speed as a function of time from the given information but to determine the efficiency, you will need to know how it slows down.
 
Yeah, I know that. My problem is that I can't figure out how to get the speed, because I don't know the distance that the bob has travelled. Is it actually possible to determine the speed with the information that I have?
 
homeslice said:
Yeah, I know that. My problem is that I can't figure out how to get the speed, because I don't know the distance that the bob has travelled. Is it actually possible to determine the speed with the information that I have?

It's not an ideal situation, but in principle you have been given enough information. You can calculate the change in potential energy of the pendulum based on starting height relative to the bottom and you can calculate the kinetic energy at the first pass through the lowest point of the swing by using the interruption time and bob diameter to find velocity. From this you can find the energy "lost" in the first quarter cycle of the motion, an calculate an efficiency.

It would be better if you could measure velocity for multiple passes, but you have to use what you are given.
 
How does the diameter of the bob have anything at all to do with the velocity?
 
homeslice said:
How does the diameter of the bob have anything at all to do with the velocity?
The bob is what interrupts the light beam. The beam is blocked for the time it takes the bob to move one diameter.
 

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