Possible Frequencies of Tuning Fork with Fixed Wire: 5.20 Hz Beat Frequency

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a fixed wire vibrating under tension and the interaction with a tuning fork, leading to a beat frequency of 5.20 Hz. The participants are exploring the calculations related to the frequencies of the tuning fork and the necessary tension adjustments to eliminate the beats.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the linear mass density and wave velocity of the wire, considering the relationship between beat frequency and the frequencies of the tuning fork. There are attempts to rearrange formulas to find the required frequencies, and questions are raised about the correctness of these methods.

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Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the relationship between the frequency of the vibrating string and the tuning fork. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider multiple possible frequencies and tensions, but no consensus has been reached on the exact methods to use.

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Participants note the importance of the frequency of vibration of the string as a reference point and discuss the implications of beat frequencies in tuning scenarios. There is mention of potential constraints related to the accuracy of calculations and the need for further clarification on certain concepts.

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A 0.0145 kg, 1.92 m long wire is fixed at both ends and vibrates in its simplest mode under a tension of 193 N. When a tuning fork is placed near the wire, a beat frequency of 5.20 Hz is heard. What are the possible frequencies of the tuning fork?

B)What should the tension in the wire be if the beats are to disappear?

for part A i have calcuated

u=7.55e-3 and velocity along the string which is v=159 m/s

what i am thinking of doing is the following:

i know my beat freq. is 5.20 Hz. I also know that

Freq.b = Delta w/2pi

i am thinking of rearanging to find w and then pluging everything into:

F= 1/2pi * srt w

that may give me one frequency of the tunning frok and then from here i take the frequency from my answer and then minus my beat frequency from it giving me my other frequency.

Is this what i have to do??

and for B) I am not really sure how to approach it any hints?
 
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is this the correct method or am i doing something wrong?
 
can anyone out there help me please
 
DDS said:
A 0.0145 kg, 1.92 m long wire is fixed at both ends and vibrates in its simplest mode under a tension of 193 N. When a tuning fork is placed near the wire, a beat frequency of 5.20 Hz is heard. What are the possible frequencies of the tuning fork?

B)What should the tension in the wire be if the beats are to disappear?

for part A i have calcuated

u=7.55e-3 and velocity along the string which is v=159 m/s

what i am thinking of doing is the following:

i know my beat freq. is 5.20 Hz. I also know that

Freq.b = Delta w/2pi

i am thinking of rearanging to find w and then pluging everything into:

F= 1/2pi * srt w

that may give me one frequency of the tunning frok and then from here i take the frequency from my answer and then minus my beat frequency from it giving me my other frequency.

Is this what i have to do??

and for B) I am not really sure how to approach it any hints?

Your velocity round off could be better. Where is the frequency of vibration of the string? You need it as a reference point to combine with the beat frequency to find the tuning fork frequency.

The last part is simply matching the frequency of the string to the frequency of the tuning fork. Since there are two possible fork frequencies, there will be two possible tensions, one looser and one tighter than the starting tension.

Beats can be used to help tune a stringed instrument like a guitar to itself. It is often done by forcing it to vibrate in a harmonic mode by simply touching the string in the right places to create vibration nodes, then playing another string to listen for any beats.
 
"Where is the frequency of vibration of the string?"

I am not sure, could you elabortae further?
 
got it thanks for the help
 

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