What Mistake Did I Make Solving This Quadratic Exponential Equation?

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The discussion revolves around solving a quadratic exponential equation, specifically the equation 5^2^x + 4(5)^x = -3. The original poster attempts to simplify the equation by substituting 5^x with a variable, leading to a quadratic form.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of obtaining negative values for 5^x, questioning the validity of the solutions derived from the quadratic equation. There are discussions about the nature of logarithms and the impossibility of taking the logarithm of negative numbers.

Discussion Status

The discussion has highlighted that there are no real solutions to the equation, with some participants suggesting that the problem may have been included in the exam to test the ability to identify unsolvable equations. There is no explicit consensus on how to approach complex solutions, but the conversation remains open to exploring that topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion about the appropriateness of the problem for a grade 11 math exam, indicating a potential mismatch between the curriculum and the problem's complexity.

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This was on a test but I couldn't quite solve for x:

[tex]5^2^x + 4(5)^x = -3[/tex]

let [itex]5^x = y[/itex]

[tex]y^2 + 4y + 3 = 0[/tex]
[tex](y + 1)(y + 3) = 0[/tex]

So I end up with [itex]5^x = -1[/itex] or [itex]5^x = -3[/itex], but I don't think that makes sense... what am I doing wrong? It must be something dumb I'm doing :shy:
 
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Maybe you haven't done anything wrong? What would that imply?
 
Hurkyl said:
Maybe you haven't done anything wrong? What would that imply?

Ehh I was kind of worried about that... I guess it could imply I suck at logs? :-p

I would continue by taking the log of both sides, but as far as I know you cannot take the log of a negative number... my calculator agrees with me. :biggrin:

Overall, I don't know what this means.
 
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It meons there's no real number x that is the root of this function... Think of it this way, which power of 5(a positive number) would give you -1 or -3?
 
wisredz said:
It meons there's no real number x that is the root of this function... Think of it this way, which power of 5(a positive number) would give you -1 or -3?

How would I work it out to get an answer? All we've been taught on complex numbers (if that's what you're implying) is that i is the square root of negative one.
 
cscott said:
How would I work it out to get an answer? All we've been taught on complex numbers (if that's what you're implying) is that i is the square root of negative one.

What he's saying is that there is no value for x that satisfies that equation.
 
Nylex said:
What he's saying is that there is no value for x that satisfies that equation.

Why would this be on my grade 11 math exam then? :mad:
 
cscott said:
Why would this be on my grade 11 math exam then? :mad:

I don't know, but surely you can see that there's no power x that you can raise 5 to to get a negative number, not even a negative one. Your working at the top was correct.
 
Well it's an interesting problem for me. There are no solutions with "real numbers" but there are two complex-number solutions which perhaps it's best to not worry about now unless you want to know how to find them.
 
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Why would this be on my grade 11 math exam then?

Presumably to test if you can identify when equations have no solutions. :-p
 
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Hurkyl said:
Presumably to test if you can identify when equations have no solutions. :-p

Crazy! Anyway, thanks for all your help.
 

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