Implicit Partial Differentiation

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The discussion revolves around implicit differentiation, specifically finding the partial derivative \(\partial z / \partial x\) from the equation \(x + y + z = \cosh xyz\). Participants express uncertainty about the approach and the implications of the variables involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial steps for differentiation, with one suggesting taking the partial derivative of both sides of the equation. There is a focus on the necessity of clarifying which variables are held constant during differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided examples of similar problems, exploring the implications of holding different variables constant. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the implicit relationship between the variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of specifying which variable is held constant when taking the partial derivative, highlighting the ambiguity in the original expression for \(\partial z / \partial x\).

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If there is such a thing. I need to find [itex]\partial z / \partial x[/itex] given [itex]x + y + z = \cosh xyz[/itex]. I've never seen the likes of this before and I haven't a clue where to start. Would a reasonable start be to take [itex]\partial /\partial x[/itex] of both sides? If so, it seems like I'm going to end up with an expression in terms of partial differntials.
 
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jdstokes said:
If there is such a thing. I need to find [itex]\partial z / \partial x[/itex] given [itex]x + y + z = \cosh xyz[/itex]. I've never seen the likes of this before and I haven't a clue where to start. Would a reasonable start be to take [itex]\partial /\partial x[/itex] of both sides? If so, it seems like I'm going to end up with an expression in terms of partial differntials.

The symbol [tex]\partial z / \partial x[/tex] is incomplete. We do it all the time, but a symbol for a partial derivative is never complete without specifying what is being held constant when the derivative is taken. You need to decide from the context of your problem what is being held constant here. If z is being held constant, then the partial derivative is zero. On the other hand, if z = z(x,y) and only y is being held constant it is a completely different problem.
 
All I am given is that z is given implicitly as a function of x and y by the above equation. I take this to mean that y is held constant while x and z are allowed to vary.
 
How about mine:

[tex]z^2=Sin[xz]+xy[/tex]

Assuming z is a differentiable function of x and y and I want the partial of z with respect to x, let's take that partial of both sides:

[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\{z^2=Sin[xz]+xy\}[/tex]

[tex]2z\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}=Cos[xz](x\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}+z)+y[/tex]

Isolating the partial:

[tex]\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}=\frac{zCos(xz)+y}{2z-xCos[xz]}[/tex]

Now, I bet you can do yours!
 
Thanks for the worked example. I got [itex]\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = \frac{yz\sinh xyz -1}{1 - xy\sinh xyz}[/itex].
 
jdstokes said:
Thanks for the worked example. I got [itex]\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = \frac{yz\sinh xyz -1}{1 - xy\sinh xyz}[/itex].

Put parenthesis around xyz. It's ambiguous as written. :smile:
 

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