Can anyone help me with thisBernoulli qn?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving fluid dynamics, specifically applying Bernoulli's principle to a water tank with a leak. The scenario includes pressures at two positions within the tank and seeks to determine the velocity of water escaping from the leak.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pressures at different positions and the resulting velocities. Questions arise regarding the implications of pressure at position 2 and its effect on the velocity of water escaping from the leak. Some participants express confusion about the independence of velocity at position 2 from the pressure at position 1.

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The discussion is active with participants questioning assumptions about pressure and velocity relationships. Some guidance has been provided regarding the application of Bernoulli's equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations of the pressures involved.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the total pressure at position 2 and the assumptions made about the velocities at both positions. The discussion reflects a need for clarity on these points without resolving them.

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A water tank springs a leak at a certain position called position 2. The pressure at position 2 is equal to the atmospheric pressure(100KPa) and at another position called position 1 the pressure is 500KPa in excess of atmospheric pressure. What is the velocity of escape of the water at the leak? It may be assumed that the velocity of the water at the leak is much greater than the velocity at position 1. (density of water=1000Kgm-3)

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gunblaze said:
A water tank springs a leak at a certain position called position 2. The pressure at position 2 is equal to the atmospheric pressure(100KPa) and at another position called position 1 the pressure is 500KPa in excess of atmospheric pressure. What is the velocity of escape of the water at the leak? It may be assumed that the velocity of the water at the leak is much greater than the velocity at position 1. (density of water=1000Kgm-3)
If the pressure at position 2 is the same as the atmospheric pressure, an opening at position 2 will not produce a leak. The velocity of the water at the leak is 0. Better check the question again.

AM
 
no.. the total pressure at position 2 is 200KPa. The pressure at position 2, neglecting air pressure, is 100KPa. note: the total pressure at postion 1 is 500KPa.
 
what i want to know is that by having 2 unknown velocity, v at position 1 and v at position 2, how can i find the velocity at position 2?
 
gunblaze said:
what i want to know is that by having 2 unknown velocity, v at position 1 and v at position 2, how can i find the velocity at position 2?
If the tank is large, the velocity at position 2 is independent of the pressure at position 1. The speed of the water at position 2 is determined by Bernouilli's equation:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}\rho v_0^2 + P_0 = \frac{1}{2}\rho v'^2 + P'[/tex]

Where P_0 = 200 KPa, v_0 = 0; P' = 100 KPa

Just solve for v'.

AM

[note: I changed the 1 and 2 subscripts to avoid confusion with the positions]
 
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Andrew Mason said:
If the tank is large, the velocity at position 2 is independent of the pressure at position 1.

erm.. May i know why?

thx!
 
gunblaze said:
erm.. May i know why?

thx!
Because the velocity at position 2 is determined by the pressure at position 2. Pressure is energy per unit volume. The increase in kinetic energy of water comes from the potential energy stored as water pressure. Why would its energy be determined by the pressure anywhere else?

AM
 

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