Iran Elections: Religious Hard-Liner Victory, Is Domino Effect at Work?

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The discussion centers around the implications of the recent Iranian elections that resulted in the victory of a religious hard-liner. Participants explore whether this outcome signifies a domino effect in the region, particularly in relation to democracy and U.S. foreign policy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the election of a religious hard-liner in Iran reflects a broader trend of extremism, paralleling U.S. political dynamics.
  • Others argue that the concept of a domino effect in the Middle East lacks validity, citing examples like Lebanon and Egypt as counterpoints.
  • One participant posits that if Iraq were allowed genuine democracy, it might also elect a religious leader, challenging the assumption that democracy leads to pro-American outcomes.
  • Concerns are raised about the U.S. foreign policy approach, with claims that it prioritizes pro-American leaders over genuine democratic practices.
  • There is skepticism regarding the effectiveness and intentions behind U.S. nation-building efforts, with references to the long-term military presence in Iraq.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the implications of the Iranian elections or the validity of the domino effect theory. Disagreement exists regarding the motivations behind U.S. foreign policy and the nature of democracy in the region.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of cultural and political contexts in the Middle East, suggesting that simplistic models of democracy may not apply universally. There are also references to the limitations of U.S. foreign policy narratives.

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The elections put a religious hard-liner forward:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4621249.stm

I particularly like the quote:

The US said the election was "flawed" and described Iran as "out of step" with regional trends towards democracy.

Is this the domino effect at work ? :biggrin:
 
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lol yah, this throws a monkey wrentch in everything...
 
vanesch said:
The elections put a religious hard-liner forward:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4621249.stm

I particularly like the quote:



Is this the domino effect at work ? :biggrin:
Exactly. They elected a leader who is a religious hard-liner, just like the U.S.

Seriously, it isn't whether countries practice democracy, it is whether countries elect pro-American leaders. This is why Iran is "out-of-step."
 
SOS2008 said:
Exactly. They elected a leader who is a religious hard-liner, just like the U.S.

Seriously, it isn't whether countries practice democracy, it is whether countries elect pro-American leaders. This is why Iran is "out-of-step."
Yes. It is a simple fact of life, Extremism breeds Extremism.
 
Does that mean that Centrism breeds Centrism? I hope not, I think the latin translation of that is "We're doomed".
 
If we look at the neocon domino concept in general we can see there is no validity to it. In the Middle East alone, look at Lebanon or even more moderate states such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. If Iraq were allowed real democracy (real control of their government), it is very likely they would elect a religious leader as well.

Trying to make every country fit a certain mold is ridiculous, for example Afghanistan, where the culture doesn't correspond with women's rights. The neocons are idiots. And anyone who believes it is US foreign policy to spread democracy is naive. The US will support any leader who espouses pro-American rhetoric/sentiment--look at Pakistan, or who serves our interests at a given time, such as Saddam during the war with Iran.

As for nation building, I believe Rumsfeld just admitted we will need to be in Iraq 12 more years. If we do the math (lives, money, troops) over 12 years--sounds like a great idea, huh? Freedom and peace! We're spreading democracy! It's propaganda by the Bush regime as a cover-up for destroying our country.
 

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