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The discussion revolves around a scheduling problem involving the probabilities of completion for two projects, denoted as project a and project b. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the probability that both projects will be complete at a given time t, focusing on the convolution of their distribution functions. The scope includes probability theory and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the problem and defines the probability functions for projects a and b, as well as the combined probability p_{ab}(t).
  • Post 2 asserts that the solution involves finding the distribution function for the sum of two random variables through convolution, suggesting a specific integral form.
  • Post 3 reiterates the convolution approach and seeks clarification on the integral expression for p_{ab}(t).
  • Post 4 encourages deriving the solution independently for better understanding, while acknowledging the difficulty of using LaTeX.
  • Post 5 expresses uncertainty about the correctness of the convolution approach and raises concerns about potential double counting in the integral, while also seeking help with the limits of integration and constant factors.
  • Post 6 clarifies that the integral should involve the derivative of the probability function, suggesting the use of density functions to obtain the correct form for the sum's density function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct formulation for p_{ab}(t). There are competing views on whether the solution involves convolution and concerns about the potential for double counting in the proposed integrals.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the limits of integration and the need for constant factors in the proposed equations. There is also a lack of clarity on the correct interpretation of the convolution in this context.

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I posted this in the probability and statistics forum, but I didn't get a nibble. Anyone here care to make a suggestion?

The probability that project a will be complete at time t after it begins is given as:

[tex] \[ p_a(t) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll}<br /> 0 & \mbox{if t \leq t_1$} \\<br /> \frac {(t - t_1)}{t_2-t_1} & \mbox{if t_1 \leq t \leq t_2$} \\<br /> 1 & \mbox{if t_2 \leq t}<br /> \right. \][/tex]

In other words, the project requires at least [itex]t_1[/itex] to complete and will take no more than [itex]t_2[/itex]. The probability of completion at any time between [itex]t_1[/itex] and [itex]t_2[/itex] is a linear function of t.

The probability that project b will be complete at time t after it begins is given as:
[tex] \[ p_b(t) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll}<br /> 0 & \mbox{if t \leq t_3$} \\<br /> \frac {(t - t_3)}{t_4-t_3} & \mbox{if t_3 \leq t \leq t_4$} \\<br /> 1 & \mbox{if t_4 \leq t}<br /> \right. \][/tex]


Project b will begin the moment project a is complete. Given t, what is the probability [itex]p_{ab}(t)[/itex] that both projects will be complete at time t. Obviously,
[tex] \[ p_{ab}(t) = \left\{ \begin{array}{ll}<br /> 0 & \mbox{if t \leq t_1 + t_3$} \\<br /> 1 & \mbox{if t_2 + t_4 \leq t}<br /> \right. \][/tex].

What is [itex]p_{ab}(t)[/itex] for [itex]t_1 + t_3 \leq t \leq t_2 + t_4[/itex]?
 
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This is a standard problem of finding the distribution function for the sum of 2 random variables. The solution is obtained by convoluting the distribution functions - in a Stieljes integral form.

In your case, pab(t)=(int(t1,t2)pb(t-s)ds)/(t2-t1).
 
mathman said:
This is a standard problem of finding the distribution function for the sum of 2 random variables. The solution is obtained by convoluting the distribution functions - in a Stieljes integral form.

In your case, pab(t)=(int(t1,t2)pb(t-s)ds)/(t2-t1).
Thanks mathman for taking this up. Do you mean

[tex]p_{ab}(t) = \int_{t_1}^{t_2}\frac{p_b(t-s)ds}{t_2-t_1}[/tex]
 
Yes. I am sorry that I still haven't gotten the hang of using Latex.

I suggest you take the time to derive it yourself - you'll understand it better.
 
mathman said:
I suggest you take the time to derive it yourself - you'll understand it better.

I really don't know how to derive it. I don't think the equation that I wrote and you agreed to is correct. For one thing, it is not a convolution. Like you, I too expect that the answer might be a convolution, perhaps something like this:

[tex]p_{ab}(t) = \int p_a(s) \times p_b(t-s)ds[/tex]

But I am not sure if it is correct. Also, I don't know what the limits of integration should be nor what constant factor might be necessary (although if I knew everything else, I could figure that out).

I also have reason to believe that the answer might not be a convolution after all. It seems to me possible that such an integral double counts some of the probability. I came to have that feeling after looking at some finite sums that look like the integral. In short, I still don't really know the answer and I need help.

By the way mathman, I learned the little tex I know by using the quote button on other people's posts. When you do that you can see both the raw tex and the final result.
 
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In the integral, the term is not pa(s)ds. It is dpa(s), which can be expressed using the derivative,
p'a(s)ds.

If you had used the density functions (derivative of distributions), then the form you used would be correct to get the density function of the sum.
 

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