Is zero times infinity equal to negative one?

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter bs
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Infinity Zero
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical expression of zero multiplied by infinity, specifically questioning whether it can equal negative one. Participants explore this concept through various mathematical perspectives, including limits and the properties of slopes in geometry.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since the slopes of perpendicular lines multiply to -1, zero times infinity could also equal -1.
  • Another participant counters that "infinity" is not a real number and that multiplying zero by infinity is not defined in standard number systems.
  • Several participants discuss the indeterminate nature of the expression, comparing it to dividing zero by zero, and provide examples using limits to illustrate that zero times infinity can yield different results depending on the context.
  • A participant emphasizes that the theorem regarding slopes applies specifically to lines not parallel to the axes, noting potential errors in reasoning when applying it to cases involving infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of zero times infinity equating to negative one. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the expression, with multiple competing views presented on its mathematical implications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the indeterminate nature of zero multiplied by infinity, with participants pointing out that different mathematical contexts can lead to various interpretations and results.

bs
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Zero x infinity = -1 ?!

when two lines meet perpendicularly, we hv the formula v
m1 x m2 = -1

if a horinzontal line meet v a vertical line,by using same formula ,we hv
m1 x m2 = -1
zero x infinity = -1

so..does it make sense??! :eek:
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=80945
 
bs said:
when two lines meet perpendicularly, we hv the formula v
m1 x m2 = -1

if a horinzontal line meet v a vertical line,by using same formula ,we hv
m1 x m2 = -1
zero x infinity = -1

so..does it make sense??! :eek:
No, "infinity" is not a real number. Saying that a vertical line has slope "infinity" is just a way of saying that a vertical line does not have a slope. (In fact, it would make just as much sense to say that a vertical line has slope "negative infinity".) There are a variety of numbers systems that include some notion of "infinity" but in those multiplication of a number by infinity is either not defined or gives something other than -1. I don't know of any number system that defines multiplication of zero by infinity to give -1.
 
Multiplying 0 by infinity is like dividing 0 by 0, inderterminate. You can get any answer you want. For example:

1:
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x^2} = 0 * \infty[/tex]
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x^2} = 0[/tex]

[tex] 0 * \infty = 0[/tex]

2:
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x} = 0 * \infty[/tex]
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x} = 1[/tex]

[tex] 0 * \infty = 1[/tex]

3:
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} 2 * x * \frac{1}{x} = 0 * \infty[/tex]
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} 2 * x * \frac{1}{x} = 2[/tex]

[tex] 0 * \infty = 2[/tex]
 
Alkatran said:
Multiplying 0 by infinity is like dividing 0 by 0, inderterminate. You can get any answer you want. For example:

1:
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x^2} = 0 * \infty[/tex]
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x^2} = 0[/tex]

[tex] 0 * \infty = 0[/tex]

2:
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x} = 0 * \infty[/tex]
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} x * \frac{1}{x} = 1[/tex]

[tex] 0 * \infty = 1[/tex]

3:
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} 2 * x * \frac{1}{x} = 0 * \infty[/tex]
[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow\infty} 2 * x * \frac{1}{x} = 2[/tex]

[tex] 0 * \infty = 2[/tex]


Amazing. Off the subject, but a comment nonetheless: Perhaps your examples demonstrates how "all things are possible"
 
pallidin said:
Amazing. Off the subject, but a comment nonetheless: Perhaps your examples demonstrates how "all things are possible"

No, it demonstrates how you can't multiply 0 by infinity and get an answer because its indeterminate (except for special cases with limits...)
 
if u read the theorem on m1*m2 = -1 carefully...u shud notice 1 thing...it is SPECIFICALLY SAID..(in my notes @least)...m1 m2 are slopes of lines NOT PARALLEL to either of the axes. in addition...by DEFINITION...the axes themselves are mutually perpendicular(i have come across problems wherin the axes are not perpendicular too...i remember doing a problem 2 find out distance between 2 pts when axes are inclined @ 30degrees). If u proceed with the proof for m1*m2=-1...u will find an error (dividing by zero or multiplying by infinity) in the penultimate step..check it out ;)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
15
Views
10K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K