Sin(2x) and sin(3x) are orthogonal to each other

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The discussion revolves around the orthogonality of the functions sin(2x) and sin(3x). Participants explore the mathematical definition of orthogonality in the context of functions, particularly through the lens of inner product spaces, and seek clarification on the reasoning behind using the product of functions in the orthogonality condition.

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  • One participant questions why the integration of the product of two functions is used to determine orthogonality instead of their sum.
  • Another participant explains that orthogonality in this context is a generalization of the concept of perpendicularity from vector spaces, emphasizing that the inner product being zero indicates orthogonality.
  • A further clarification states that orthogonality does not imply that the functions visually represent right angles when graphed.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the inner product of functions and the dot product of vectors, noting that the integral serves to sum the contributions of each component.
  • It is mentioned that the use of the product rather than the sum is due to the bilinear nature of the inner product.

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Participants generally agree on the definition of orthogonality in the context of inner product spaces, but there are varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of this definition and the reasoning behind the use of the product in the orthogonality condition.

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The discussion does not resolve the initial participant's confusion about the geometric interpretation of orthogonality for functions and remains open to further clarification on the topic.

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Hi everybody,

I read that sin(2x) and sin(3x) are orthogonal to each other.

In general if I want to check if two functions are orthogonal or not I must integrate their product

First: why the integration of their multiplication (not their addition for example)?

Second: Orthogonal means Perpendicular. But I can't figure out how sin(2x) and sin(3x) are perpendicular

Thank you for your help
 
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Orthogonally is a generalization of vectors in [tex]\vec{v},\vec{w}\in\mathbb{R}^3[/tex] being perpendicular to each other. You might recall that if [tex]\vec{v}\cdot\vec{w}= 0[/tex] then the vectors [tex]\vec{v}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{w}[/tex] are perpendicular to each other. The dot product is also called an inner product and that space [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex] is then called an inner product space.

The set of all continuous functions on the interval [tex][a,b]\in\mathbb{R}[/tex], [tex]C[a,b][/tex] is also an inner product space where the inner product between two functions [tex]f,g\in C[a,b][/tex] is

[tex]\langle f,g \rangle =\int_a^b f(x)g(x)\,dx.[/tex]

So if you consider the inner product space [tex]C[-\pi,\pi][/tex] then you can see that [tex]\sin(2x)[/tex]and [tex]\sin(3x)[/tex] are orthogonal.
 
where othogonal means exactly that the inner product is zero (and the vectors are not both zero). it doesn't mean that if you "drew" them they are necessarily at right angles.
 
The point of [tex]\langle f,g \rangle =\int_a^b f(x)g(x)\,dx.[/tex] as "inner product" is that it corresponds to [tex]\langle(z_1,z_2,z_3),(y_1,y_2,y_3)\rangle= z_1y_1+ z_2y_2+ z_3y_3[/tex] for 3 dimensional vectors. Think of each x value as a "component" and the integral as summing.
 
you use product and not sum because it is a "product", i.e. a bilinear function.
 

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