The Fourth Reich: Media's Betrayal & the Nature of Power

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The discussion revolves around the role of media in shaping public perception of power and tyranny, particularly in historical contexts involving figures like Hitler and Stalin. Participants explore the implications of media support for political leaders and the nature of power itself, touching on contemporary issues related to government authority and public trust.

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  • One participant argues that media can betray the public by supporting tyrants, using historical examples of Hitler and Stalin as evidence of this phenomenon.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that Afghanistan attacked the US, suggesting a misunderstanding of the events leading to war.
  • There is a claim that the US government has sought extraordinary powers that some believe violate Constitutional law, though this is contested by another participant who disagrees with that interpretation.
  • Participants reference the concept of "argumentum ad nazium" in relation to the discussion, indicating a recognition of logical fallacies in the arguments presented.

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Participants express differing views on the role of media, the interpretation of historical events, and the legality of government actions. There is no consensus on these issues, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some claims rely on interpretations of historical events and legal frameworks that may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes references to specific terms and concepts that may require further clarification for those unfamiliar with them.

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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/bush_time.jpg

As I mentioned above, Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. Both of these men, and many others also celibrated by the media, were unimaginable monsters. The lesson from these facts is that it isn't easy to spot a genocidal tyrant when you live with one, especially one whom the press supports and promotes.
Tyrants become obvious only when looking back, after what they have done becomes known. The German people did not stand up to Hitler because their media betrayed them, just as the American media is betraying the American people by willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional role as watchdog against government abuse.


It is the very nature of power that it attracts the sort of people who should not have it. The United States, as the world's last superpower, is a prize that attracts men and women willing to do absolutely anything to win that power, and hence are also willing to do absolutely anything with that power once they have it. If one thinks about it long enough, one will realize that all tyrants, past and most especially present, MUST use deception on their population to initiate a war.

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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html


I support bush, and all. But hearing diffrent people's opinion really broadens your horizon.
 
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It's good to be open-minded, but not so open-minded that your brain falls out.

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American people... never question why Afghanistan would have done something so stupid as to attack the United States, and as a result, Americans find themselves in a war.

Afghanistan didn't attack the US.

Now the US Government has requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under Constitutional law,

No it hasn't. The laws that have been written are not "specifically banned under Constitutional law". I don't agree with all of the Patriot Act... but they're not banned.

Talismans are added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fall in battle.

say what?

I think I'm going to move this thread to S&D
 
Wow, I don't think I've ever been able to invoke Godwin's law on an original post before!

Oh, I just learned a new term for this:   argumentum ad nazium.
 
ahahaha i just looked up wikipedia because i didnt know what that is and that's the most hilarious thing I've ever heard of in my life.
 
Zygotic Embryo said:
As I mentioned above, Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. Both of these men, and many others also celibrated by the media, were unimaginable monsters.
Just fyi, Time's "man of the year" award isn't a popularity contest or about positive contributions, its about most contributions, positive or negative. Both of those men most certainly had the largest impact on the events of the years they were "awarded" it.

But anyway...
argumentum ad nazium
Outstanding.
 

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