Unraveling the Mystery of Particle Accelerators and High-Speed Travel

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of particle accelerators and the implications of relativity on high-speed travel, particularly focusing on the acceleration of protons to speeds approaching the speed of light. It includes theoretical considerations, energy requirements, and practical aspects of accelerator design.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that according to relativity, as an object approaches the speed of light, its mass increases and the energy required for further acceleration approaches infinity, making high-speed travel nearly impossible.
  • Others explain that particle accelerators can achieve speeds of 99.99% of 'c' by using significant amounts of energy and gradually increasing the speed of particles during each pass through the accelerator.
  • One participant inquires about the specific energy required to accelerate a proton to 99% of 'c' and the number of revolutions needed in a 5-mile radius accelerator to reach that speed.
  • Another participant suggests calculating kinetic energy using classical mechanics or incorporating a "gamma" factor for relativistic kinetic energy, but notes that the second question regarding the number of revolutions is complex and depends on various factors, such as the type of acceleration mechanism used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of relativity for high-speed travel and the feasibility of accelerating particles to such speeds. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific energy requirements and the mechanics of achieving high speeds in particle accelerators.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on various assumptions about the acceleration mechanisms and the specifics of the particle accelerator design, which are not fully detailed in the discussion.

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So, according to Relativity, as an oject approaches the speed of light, it's mass increases and the Energy required to sustain the motion goes to infinity, basically making high speed travel almost impossible.

How is it that Particle accelerators are able to accelerate Protons at 99.99% of 'c'? Protons do possesses mass don't they?
 
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amt said:
So, according to Relativity, as an oject approaches the speed of light, it's mass increases and the Energy required to sustain the motion goes to infinity, basically making high speed travel almost impossible.

How is it that Particle accelerators are able to accelerate Protons at 99.99% of 'c'? Protons do possesses mass don't they?

They are able to do that using lots and lots of energy/power/electricity, and by kicking the particles faster a little bit at a time during each pass. It is why the Tevatron at Fermilab is so large, and why the LHC being built at CERN is even larger. Just to go from 99.99%c to 99.999%c takes A LOT of resources.

Zz.
 
To accelerate 1 proton to 99% of 'c', how much energy is required?

If the particle accelerator has a radius of 5 miles, how many revolutions has the proton got to make before achieving 99% of 'c'?

Thanks.
 
amt said:
To accelerate 1 proton to 99% of 'c', how much energy is required?

If the particle accelerator has a radius of 5 miles, how many revolutions has the proton got to make before achieving 99% of 'c'?

Thanks.

Er... just find the KE with v=0.99c if you want to do this classically, or add a "gamma" factor into the relatistic KE. That will give you roughly the ballpark values.

The 2nd question does not have an answer because it depends on A LOT of things, such as what kind of acceleration mechanism is being used, how many cells are in the linac, etc.

Zz.
 

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