How do I find the metric tensor for an arbitrary coordinate system?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the Laplacian in various coordinate systems, particularly focusing on its expression in two dimensions and the implications of using different coordinate systems, including Cartesian and polar coordinates. Participants explore the relationship between the Laplacian, harmonic functions, and the metric tensor in arbitrary coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Laplacian can be expressed as the trace of the Hessian operator, with a general formula applicable to any coordinate system.
  • Others argue that in Cartesian coordinates, the Laplacian simplifies to the sum of second partial derivatives with respect to x and y.
  • One participant mentions that the Laplacian vanishes on harmonic functions and relates it to steady-state heat flow and holomorphic functions.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of harmonic forms in discussing cohomology and the uniqueness of harmonic representatives for cohomology classes on compact oriented manifolds.
  • There is a suggestion to derive the Laplacian in polar coordinates by substituting Cartesian coordinates and applying the chain rule.
  • A later reply expresses concern about the mathematical justification for transforming coordinate systems without a clear understanding of the reasoning behind it.
  • One participant explicitly asks how to find the metric tensor for an arbitrary coordinate system and requests examples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and implications of the Laplacian and harmonic functions, but there is no consensus on the best approach to finding the metric tensor for arbitrary coordinate systems. Multiple competing views and methods are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about coordinate systems and the dependence on definitions of the Laplacian and metric tensor. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required to derive the metric tensor in arbitrary coordinates.

MalleusScientiarum
Does anybody out there know what the Laplacian is for two dimensions?
 
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The Laplacian is the trace of the Hessian operator and is undoubtedly given by

[tex]\Delta =g^{ij}\nabla_{i}\nabla_{j}[/tex]

,where [itex]i,j=1,2[/itex]. Incidentally, for a manifold on which Christoffel's symbols are 0, it reduces to the standard form

[tex]\Delta=g^{ij}\partial_{i}\partial_{j}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
That is probably one of the most complicated answers to a simple question I've ever seen.
 
It depends upon the coordinate system. Dextercioby gave the general formula for any coordinate system, thereby making it, as MalleusScientarum said, "one of the most complicated answers to a simple question I've ever seen"!

In Cartesian coordinates it is [tex]\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}+ \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2}[/tex].

By the way, the Laplacian is the simplest differential operator that is "invarient under rigid motions".
 
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lets see now, isn't the laplacian the differential operator that vanishes on harmonic functions? if so, wouldn't that say it is the one that governs steady state heat flow? and characterizes the real and imaginary parts of holomorphic functions?


harmonic forms on the other hand are very sueful in discussing cohomology. the de rham theorem says that every cohomology class on a compact oriented? diff manifold can be represented by a smooth differential form, but there is no uniqueness.

by imposing a metric and hence defining a laplacian, one can define harmonic foirms and thewn there is a unique harminic representative for each cohomology class.

e.g. on an elliptic curve, formed as a quotient of the complex numbers by a lattice, one has the natural harmonic basis dz and "dzbar".
 
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yes that stuff about harmonic & holomorphic functions sounds right. i don't know anything about heat flow though.
 
yes, the heat-diffusion equation is:

[tex]T_p = k\Delta T[/tex]

where in cartesian coordinates [itex]T_p[/itex] is the change in temperature at the point [itex]p[/itex]

[tex]T(t,x,y,z)[/tex] and [tex]p: (x,y,z)[/tex]


[tex]T_p = k(\frac{\partial^2 T}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2 T}{\partial y^2} + \frac{\partial ^2 T}{\partial z^2})[/tex]
 
Apologies, I guess I should specify for polar coordinates.
 
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That's ultimately what I decided to do, but it always makes me nervous when I do something like that without knowing what mathematical reasoning I could use to justify it. As for the original answer, how would one find the metric tensor for an arbitrary coordinate system? Examples would be greatly appreciated.
 

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