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Loren Booda
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Do you foresee an expanding and increasingly significant conflict between U.S. social and fiscal conservatives? In what regards?
House and Senate divided: social vs fiscal conservatives
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The discussion centers on the potential conflict between social and fiscal conservatives within the U.S. political landscape, exploring the implications of recent political actions and endorsements. It touches on the dynamics of party support and the impact of specific legislative decisions on these two factions.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants foresee an expanding conflict between social and fiscal conservatives, questioning the implications of this division.
- One participant argues that social conservatives have suffered a setback due to political maneuvers, particularly regarding Senate leadership and the endorsement of the Stem Cell Research Bill.
- There is speculation about the motivations behind political figures' shifts, particularly regarding their support for scientific advancement and the timing of these endorsements relative to elections.
- Concerns are raised about the current state of fiscal conservatism, with claims that it no longer exists due to excessive government spending.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express differing views on the state of social and fiscal conservatism, with no consensus on the implications of recent political actions or the future relationship between these factions.
Contextual Notes
Participants reference specific political events and figures, indicating a reliance on subjective interpretations of their actions and motivations. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on the effectiveness and direction of conservative policies.
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BobG
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If so, then the social conservatives just took a blow.
They slammed Frist so hard on allowing McCain's group to head off the "Nuclear option/Constitutional option" that he decided he better not rely on them for help in 2008. He made his break from the social conservatives with endorsement of the Stem Cell Research Bill.
Frist was probably their best hope not only in the Senate, but for a 'friendly' presidential candidate. Now the biggest friend they're left with is Tom DeLay. That has to be pretty degrading.
They slammed Frist so hard on allowing McCain's group to head off the "Nuclear option/Constitutional option" that he decided he better not rely on them for help in 2008. He made his break from the social conservatives with endorsement of the Stem Cell Research Bill.
Frist was probably their best hope not only in the Senate, but for a 'friendly' presidential candidate. Now the biggest friend they're left with is Tom DeLay. That has to be pretty degrading.
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SOS2008
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There is a lot of speculation as to why Frist split on stem cell research. One theory is he that in view of his medical background, he was always in favor of scientific progress, but didn't want to split until the 2004 elections had concluded and a few GOP initiatives had gone through successfully. This still seems suspect to me. But I'm glad he has split, along with Nancy Reagan's endorsement, and of course Arlen Specter--in favor of scientific advancement.BobG said:If so, then the social conservatives just took a blow.
They slammed Frist so hard on allowing McCain's group to head off the "Nuclear option/Constitutional option" that he decided he better not rely on them for help in 2008. He made his break from the social conservatives with endorsement of the Stem Cell Research Bill.
Frist was probably their best hope not only in the Senate, but for a 'friendly' presidential candidate. Now the biggest friend they're left with is Tom DeLay. That has to be pretty degrading.
So he's moving to the center for 2008...Still I'm not likely to forget Terri Schiavo, and that goes in the list of things against DeLay as well. And I'm not likely to forget the nuclear option. Santorum is struggling too. His arrogant, conceited manner is a real turn off as well as his views.
Regarding fiscal conservatism, well just look at the legislation the GOP is pushing through these days--still spending like drunken sailors.
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Manchot
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Fiscal conservatism doesn't exist any more.