Mastering Plane Physics: Solving Equations & Understanding Procedures

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The discussion revolves around finding equations of planes in three-dimensional space, specifically addressing two problems: one involving a plane through the origin parallel to a given plane, and another involving a plane that passes through a specific point and contains a line defined parametrically.

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  • The original poster attempts to apply vector operations and seeks clarification on how to find plane equations under different conditions. Participants discuss the need for understanding translations of planes and the importance of identifying noncollinear points to define a plane.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, with some providing insights into potential methods for solving them. There is a recognition of the need for further clarification on certain concepts, such as translations and the identification of points in relation to the plane.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about the procedures for finding plane equations in varying contexts, indicating a gap in understanding that is being explored through the discussion.

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I have been working on these two problems for a while now and I can't seem to come up with the right procedure to take them on:

1) Find the plane through the origin and parallel to the plane 2x - y + 3z = 1

* I thought this could be solved by taking the vector of the parallel plane <2, -1, 3> and cross multiplying with the origin, but that didn't get me anywhere.

2) Find the plane that passes through (1, 2, 3) and contains the line x=3t, y=1+t, z=2-t

* The same problem occurred in this case.

I know how to find a plane when given a point and a normal (perpendicular) vector... what would be of great help is if anyone could help me understand how to find the equation of planes under different circumstances (like the two problems above). Thanks a bunch =)
 
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There are always multiple ways of solving these kind of problems, but the following seems straightforward.

1) If you put in x=z=0 in the equation of the plane, you'll find the point where the plane crosses the y-axis. Now you need to translate the plane over some distance parallel to y to make this zero. (Do you know how translations work in general?)

2) You need three noncollinear points to be able to construct a plane. The equation of the line will give you 2, the given point in the plane is a third.
 
Thanks for the quick reply.
But no, I do not know how do a translation of a plane... could you explain :smile: ?
 
Just like you translate the graph of a function. The graph of f(x-c) is translated over a distance c wrt the graph of f(x).
 
i understood the first problem:

the normal vector to the plane would be <2, -1, 3> and the equation of the plane would be the dot product of the <2, -1, 3> *<x+0, y+0, z+0>=0
and the answer would be 2x - y + 3z = 0

for the second problem i am given two points:
(1, 2, 3) and (0, 1, 2)
* could I just plug in any number for t (say, 1) to get a third point?
 
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Actually, you are only "given" one point. You clearly got the point (0, 1, 2) by putting t= 0 in the equation of the line. Since all points of the line are in the plane, choosing any other value of t (t=1 would be convenient) will give you a third point in the plane.
 

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