Intersection of a line and a plane, for what value(s) of k ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on determining the values of the variable k in the parametric equations of a line that affect its intersection with a given plane. Participants explore the conditions for no intersection, one intersection, and infinite intersections, engaging with the concepts of linear dependence and geometric interpretation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the parametric form of the line and substituting into the plane's Cartesian equation to find intersection conditions.
  • Another participant notes that the point (2, -1, 5) lies in the plane, implying that there cannot be a value of k for which there is no intersection.
  • It is proposed that for infinite intersections, the line must lie entirely within the plane, leading to the conclusion that k = -31/6 is a valid condition for this scenario.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and reasoning, with one participant feeling lost and seeking guidance on how to approach the problem.
  • There is acknowledgment of the initial vector of the line being on the plane, which affects the understanding of intersection conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there cannot be a value of k for which there is no intersection, but the discussion includes multiple views on how to derive the conditions for one and infinite intersections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the calculations and the implications of their findings, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the relationship between the line and the plane.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in geometric interpretations of lines and planes, as well as those exploring parametric equations and intersection conditions in a mathematical context.

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Well,

From what I understand, to determine the intersection of a line and a plane, we use parametric form of the line and substitute the values of x, y and z into the Cartesian equation of the plane, correct?

so, given the line
x = 2 + 4t
y = -1 + kt <=== note the 'k' variable
z = 5 - 3t

and the plane 7x + 6y - z - 3 = 0

What must be the value of k for no intersection point, one intersection point, an infinite number of intersection points?


*** My calculations this far are written below. So far I think I'm headed completely in the wrong direction but I've exhausted the only way I thought possible.

If I plug the parametric form into the plane equation, I end up with
31t + 6kt = 0

this is where I'm lost. The question has me lost, because I have not tried this form (usually I have been given a non-variable value for the parametric equations, plugging them in is easy and I go from there)

At this point, I'm -guessing- that to have no intersection point, I must have a constant on the other side of the equation and be inconsistent (of the sort, 0t = 123). This is not possible as I can't just invent one? So, there cannot be NO intersection (it must pass through the plane)

To have one intersection point, we can suppose any value of k, then t = 0?

And for infinite number of intersection points, basically I need 0t = 0 (dependent system)

SO, by letting k = - 31/6
31t + 6kt = 0
0t = 0
and thus an infinite number of intersection points (the line is contained in the plane)


*** The above is probably incorrect ( I feel) but I do not know another way. Please suggest the correct way of going about this. Do not give me the answer, I would rather just some advice on how to work my way back on this question! :smile:
 
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Your line is
[tex]\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> x \\<br /> y \\<br /> z \\<br /> <br /> \end{array}} \right) = \left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 2 \\<br /> { - 1} \\<br /> 5 \\<br /> \end{array}} \right) + t\left( {\begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 4 \\<br /> k \\<br /> { - 3} \\<br /> \end{array}} \right)[/tex]

Note that the point (2,-1,5) lies in the plane, which is why you can't find a value of k for which there is no intersection.

For infinite intersections, the line has to be in the plane and k = -31/6 is correct there.
 
aha!

sorry, I'm slow on the uptake :(

thanks for the help :D
 
You do understand now, I hope? If there's something unclear, don't hesitate to ask!

Glad that I could help :smile:
 
Yeah, unfortunately I didn't think to look at the initial vector of the line being on the plane. I should have noticed that when I expanded the substitution and it came out to zero with the t variable left over... LOL

thanks again
 

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