Integral Substitution: Can We Factor in Derivatives to Make Integration Easier?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of integral substitution, specifically focusing on the use of u-substitution in integration. Participants explore the conditions under which substitution can be applied, the necessity of having the derivative of the substitution variable present in the integral, and the implications of manipulating integrals to facilitate substitution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of having the derivative of 'u' present in the integral for u-substitution, suggesting that it is not strictly required but can be helpful.
  • Another participant provides an example where substitution is successful without the derivative appearing in the integrand, emphasizing the importance of manipulating expressions to fit the substitution.
  • Some participants argue that certain integrals, like the one involving sin(x^4), cannot be evaluated using elementary functions and that introducing derivatives not originally present complicates the integral further.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the chain rule for derivatives and integration, with some suggesting that substitution is a way to apply this relationship.
  • Concerns are raised about instances where manipulating the expression to fit a substitution may lead to more complicated integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of having the derivative of 'u' in the integral for successful substitution. While some agree that it is not strictly necessary, others maintain that it complicates the process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for applying u-substitution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that not all integrals can be solved analytically, and the effectiveness of substitution often depends on the specific form of the integral and the choice of 'u'. There is an acknowledgment that manipulating expressions can sometimes lead to more complex integrals.

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Integral Substitution...

Heya people,
I was wondering if someone here could point me in the right direction, as the book I am reading on Integration isn't very thourough, and I don't really have anyone else to ask. :confused:
Basically, I am reading up on u-substitiution regarding integration, but I am not really sure of the finer points.
The texts says that I can ONLY use substituiton if the derivative of the 'u' is present in the integral-equation.

My Question:

When you have an integral to evaluate, and its complicated enough to have to use u-substituiton, but there is not any [tex]g'(x)[/tex] for your [tex]g(x)[/tex] in the integral,
can we factor in the required derivative of our 'inside' function to the equation before evaluating the integral to make things easier? :confused:

Ie) Does this mean, (for simplicity,)
If I have:
[tex]\int sin(x^4) dx[/tex]
and I want to make my [tex]\ u =x^4[/tex]
then, can I somehow factor in the 4x^3 to make this work?

Cheers. :smile:
 
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I don't know the term "u-substitiution" (is it just a substitution?) but it's not possible in the example you gave. That integral can't be evaluated using elementary functions, there is no why of getting the 4x³ out of nowhere.
 
dx/dy=? said:
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The texts says that I can ONLY use substituiton if the derivative of the 'u' is present in the integral-equation.
...
That's not quite right
The derivative doesn't need to appear in the integrand, but it helps if it does!

Example of not needing the derivative in the integrand.

[tex]I= \int sin^3x dx[/tex]

[tex]\mbox{let} \ u = cosx[/tex]
[tex]du = -sinx dx[/tex]

[tex]I = \int sin^3x\ dx[/tex]
[tex]I = \int sin^2x.sinx\ dx[/tex]
[tex]I = - \int sin^2x\ du[/tex]
[tex]I = - \int (1 - cos^2x)\ du[/tex]
[tex]I = \int (cos^2x - 1)\ du[/tex]
[tex]I = \int u^2 - 1\ du[/tex]
[tex]I = u^3/3 - u + C[/tex]
[tex]I = cos^3x/3 - cosx + C[/tex]

In the above example, the derivative didn't appear. However, this discounts manipulating the expression in order to make it appear. e.g. [tex]sin^3x = sinx(1 - cos^2x)[/tex].
You can also use substitution to transform an expression, then use another substitution to simplify it. E.g. t = tan(x/2) to transform a trigonometric expression into one involving powers of t. Then use another substitution, for t, to simplify the espression - if needed.
 
There is a Fresnel integral, which can be defined as:

[tex]S(x)=\int_{0}^{x}\sin{\frac{\pi{t}^2}{2}}dt[/tex]

Your integral does not have any solutions dealing with elementary functions.
 
Substitution is just viewing the chain rule for derivatives as an integration formula
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{dy}{du} \ \frac{du}{dx}[/tex]
becomes
[tex]y+C_1 =\int \frac{dy}{dx} dx=\int \frac{dy}{du} \ \frac{du}{dx} dx[/tex]
as was mentioned it is nice if such a substitution is immediately obvious but often some manipulations can yield the desired form.
 
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dx/dy=? said:
Ie) Does this mean, (for simplicity,)
If I have:
[tex]\int sin(x^4) dx[/tex]
and I want to make my [tex]\ u =x^4[/tex]
then, can I somehow factor in the 4x^3 to make this work?

Cheers. :smile:

No, that means you can't do that integral by substitution.
Since there was no 4x3 in the integral originally, you can't just put one in it (not without putting 4x3 in the denominator also which would make the result just as complicated).

The fact is that most integrals of simple functions can't be done "analytically".
 
Thanks everyone,
I didnt realize the text was referring to the chain-rule for integrals.

If i can manipulate the values of [tex]\ du[/tex] to fit into the equation, it will work most of the time,
but what about when the value of [tex]\ du[/tex] makes the equation even more complicated?

Thanks again for the help.
 
dx/dy=? said:
Thanks everyone,
I didnt realize the text was referring to the chain-rule for integrals.

If i can manipulate the values of [tex]\ du[/tex] to fit into the equation, it will work most of the time,
but what about when the value of [tex]\ du[/tex] makes the equation even more complicated?

Thanks again for the help.
It is not a chin rule for integral that would imply a method for integral of the form f(g(x))
It is using the chain rule for derivatives to help find integrals
Substitution does not always make integrals easier
in your example
[tex]\int \sin(x^4)dx=\int \frac{\sin(x^4)4x^3dx}{4x^3}=\frac{1}{4}\int u^{-3/4}\sin(u)du[/tex]
to make the integral easier the integral needs to have a certain form and the right choice of u is needed.
 
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