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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving tourists and locals (Bandrikans) in a national park, focusing on the likelihood of receiving correct directions based on repeated questioning. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and probability calculations related to independent events and conditional probabilities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate the probability of receiving a correct answer from a passer-by, considering the proportion of tourists and their accuracy rate.
  • There is a contention regarding whether the answers given by the same person are independent, with some arguing that a tourist would likely give the same answer if they believed it to be correct.
  • Participants explore different scenarios for repeated questioning, leading to varying interpretations of the probabilities involved, such as 1/2, 9/10, and 27/70.
  • One participant suggests that the likelihood of encountering a Bandrikan increases with repeated identical answers, implying a need for Bayes' Rule to analyze the situation.
  • Another participant expresses frustration with the problem's assumptions and calculations, questioning the intelligence of the tourists based on the scenario presented.

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Participants express differing views on the independence of answers and the resulting probabilities, leading to no consensus on the correct approach or final answers for the probability calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on assumptions regarding the independence of answers and the implications of repeated questioning on the probabilities of the respondents being tourists or Bandrikans.

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Individuals interested in probability theory, Bayesian reasoning, and mathematical problem-solving may find this discussion relevant.

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Can someone help me with this question ?

You are lost in the National Park of Bandrika. Tourists comprise two-thirds of the visitors to the park, and give a correct answer to request for directions with probability 3/4. (Answers to repeated questions are independent, even if the question and the person are the same). If you ask a Bandrikan for directions, the answer is always false.

(a) You ask a passer-by whether the exit from the park is East or West. The answer is East. What is the probability that is correct ?

(b) You ask the same person again, and receive the same reply. Show the probability that it is correct is 1/2.

(c) You ask the same person again, and receive the same reply. What is the probability that is correct ?

(d) You ask for the fourth time, and receive the answer East. Show that the probability it is correct is 27/70.

(e) Show that, had the fourth answer been West instead, the probability that that East is nevertheless correct is 9/10.
 
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Can someone help me with this question ?

You are lost in the National Park of Bandrika. Tourists comprise two-thirds of the visitors to the park, and give a correct answer to request for directions with probability 3/4. (Answers to repeated questions are independent, even if the question and the person are the same). If you ask a Bandrikan for directions, the answer is always false.
Well, arent the Bandrikans nasty!

(a) You ask a passer-by whether the exit from the park is East or West. The answer is East. What is the probability that is correct ?
There is, according to this, a 2/3 chance that the person you asked is a tourist. If that is true, the probability that they answer correctly is 3/4. Probability that the person you ask is a tourist and answers correctly is (2/3)(3/4)= 1/2. Strictly speaking, we should now add the probability that the person asked is a Bandrikan and they answer correctly but the probability of that is (1/3)(0)= 0. The probability of getting a correct answer is 1/2.

b)You ask the same person again, and receive the same reply. Show the probability that it is correct is 1/2.
I don't understand this! Why would we expect the person, whether tourist or Bandrikan, to give a different answer? We are told that the probability that the tourist will answer correctly is 3/4 but I wouldn't assume that two answers in a row are independent! If the tourist believed, rightly or wrongly, that the exit was East and told you that the first time, why wouldn't he/she answer the same the second time? In any case, the answer is exactly what it was in (a): 1/2!

On the other hand, IF we are to assume that the tourist is answering at random, with probability of being right 3/4 each time, independently of any previous answer (which seems to me a very strange assumption), then I would argue that the probability of a tourist being correct two times in a row is (3/4)(3/4)= 9/16 and the probability of a tourist being wrong two times in a row is (1/4)(1/4)= 1/16. The probability of a tourist being correct two times in a row given that they gave the same answer two times in a row, is (9/16)/(9/16+ 1/16)= (9/16)(16/10)= 9/10. The probability of asking a tourist and getting the correct answer two times in a row (under these hypotheses) is (9/10)(2/3)= 3/5, NOT 1/2!

(c) You ask the same person again, and receive the same reply. What is the probability that is correct ?
A third time? I would have to answer 1/2 again because, again, I see no reason for either tourist or Bandrikan to change his/her answer!

IF we are to assume that the tourist is answering at random, with probability of being right 3/4 each time, independently of any previous answer, then I would argue that there was a (2/3) chance that the person we asked was a tourist and, each time, there was a 3/4 chance of getting a correct answer: The probability that a tourist answers correctly 3 times in a row is (3/4)(3/4)(3/4)= 27/64 and the probability that a tourist answer incorrectly 3 times in a row is (1/4)(1/4)(1/4)= 1/64. The probability that a tourist answers correctly three times in a row given that they answer the same three times in a row is (27/64)/((27/64)+ (1/64))= (27/64)(64/28)= 27/28. The probability that the person you ask is a tourist and answer correctly three times in a row would be (2/3)(27/28)= 9/14.

(d) You ask for the fourth time, and receive the answer East. Show that the probability it is correct is 27/70.
This is getting ridiculous! How dumb do they think the tourists are? If I were the tourist and you asked me the same question 4 times in a row, I would punch you in the nose! My answer would still be 1/2, not 27/70!
But: probability that the tourist, answering randomly, gets the question right 4 times in a row is (3/4)4= 81/256 and the answer that the tourist gets the question wrong 4 times in a row is (1/4)4= 1/256.
The probability that the tourist gets the question right 4 times in a row given that they answered the same way 4 times in a row is (81/256)/((81/256)+ (1/256))= (81/256)(256/82)= 81/82. The probability that you asked a tourist and he/she answered correctly 4 times in a row is (2/3)(81/82)= 27/41, not 27/70!

(e) Show that, had the fourth answer been West instead, the probability that that East is nevertheless correct is 9/10.
Oh, I give up!
 
It looks like if you ask the same person more than once, then you have to change the probability they are a Bandrikan or a tourist based on the sequence of answers. If you get a sequence of the same answers then the likelihood that you are talking to a Bandrikan increases. Conversely if you get a different answer then you must be talking to a Tourist. To work this out you need Bayes Rule, which is explained in http://www.dcs.qmul.ac.uk/~norman/BBNs/Bayes_rule.htm
 
Hey, it is a very very old posthttp://debtreliefohio.org/ohio-chapter-11/" but I am stuck at it due to the hilarious topic. Can you us some more data on the Bandrikans? Who are they, where do they live?
 
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