How are equations derived from models in physics?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of equations from models in physics, particularly in the context of mechanics. The original poster expresses a desire for theoretical proofs and resources that explain how equations are derived from physical models.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of proofs in physics, questioning what specific proofs the original poster seeks. There is mention of the relationship between theories, models, and experimental validation, as well as the distinction between definitions and equations.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different levels of mathematical understanding and the implications of using models in physics. Some guidance on resources has been suggested, but no consensus has been reached on specific proofs or methods of derivation.

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Participants note the varying levels of mathematical background (e.g., algebra, calculus) that may influence the understanding of the derivation of equations. The original poster indicates a foundational knowledge in mechanics, optics, and acoustics, yet seeks deeper insights into the derivation process.

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Hi I am currently studying physics (mostly mechanics)... however I find that books and teachers unsatisfying on the matter of proofs. I looked for books that give theoretical evidences but I failed to find any... does anyone have recommendations?
 
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What exactly do you want a proof of? Generally, I found Symon's mechanics to be quite satisfying proof-wise.
 
Not something exaclty, but on several things. I am looking for a book that prooves the equations that are given.
 
This depends greatly on what level you're looking at...
Algebra? Vector trig? Calculus? Diff.Eq?

IMHO, any instance where a theory is actually used
to describe a physical (real) situation (as an example)
that example is a "model" of reality.
You can't "prove" a model - you just try it,
then compare with the experiment.
If the model prediction is pretty close to the experiment,
you use that model again - if not, you toss it out.

If you're just starting, maybe most of the "equations"
are essentially definitions.
(Physics books tend to NOT distinguish equations with 3 lines).
Again, you can't prove a definition -
you keep useful ones and discard the non-useful ones.
 
lightgrav said:
This depends greatly on what level you're looking at...
Algebra? Vector trig? Calculus? Diff.Eq?

IMHO, any instance where a theory is actually used
to describe a physical (real) situation (as an example)
that example is a "model" of reality.
You can't "prove" a model - you just try it,
then compare with the experiment.
If the model prediction is pretty close to the experiment,
you use that model again - if not, you toss it out.

If you're just starting, maybe most of the "equations"
are essentially definitions.
(Physics books tend to NOT distinguish equations with 3 lines).
Again, you can't prove a definition -
you keep useful ones and discard the non-useful ones.

I could not say I am far into it, but I studied good part of mechanics, optics and accoustics. I understand that physics is built around models, but some equation are derived from the models, what I am looking for is how such equations are obtained.
 
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