Ionic Capacitor: Does Imbalance Create an Effect?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of ionic capacitors and whether an ionic imbalance between two compartments in a vat filled with water and ions creates a capacitive effect. Participants explore the movement of ions in response to this imbalance and the implications for potential differences across a barrier.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant hypothesizes that an ionic imbalance (n1 = n2, p1 > p2) could create a capacitive effect, prompting the movement of ions towards the barrier.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on whether the n2 ions would be attracted closer to the barrier due to the ionic imbalance.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of a depletion region, suggesting that a charge potential could develop across the barrier, contributing to a voltage drop.
  • One participant questions the relevance of semiconductor effects in the context of electrolytes and notes the absence of an electrical circuit in their experimental setup.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the concepts discussed. There is no consensus on the applicability of semiconductor effects or the nature of the potential created by the ionic imbalance.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the explanations provided, indicating potential limitations in understanding the underlying principles of ionic movement and the relevance of semiconductor terminology in this context.

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Hi All,

Here is my first question: (according to the picture)
A vat is filled with water and ions. The vat contains two compartments separated with a thin layer (green) (50 nanometer).

On a side there is p1 (positive ions) and n1 negative ones,
the other side contains p2 and n2 ions.

1/ first hypothesis
n1 = n2, p1 > p2

Is there a "capacitive" effect around the layer? (In other hands, does some ions move or are attracted because the ionic imbalance)
 

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Hi,

Maybe the question was unclear? :confused:
I just want to know, because there is an ionic imbalance between the two sides if some ions are moving towards the "barrier"/layer? Are the n2 ions attracted closer to the layer?

Thanks in advance.
 
Hi all,

:redface: Is there a physicist out there? :redface:
 
Yes, you have analyzed the situation correctly. In thermodynamics, this is called chemical or electrochemical potential.
 
Many thanks! :smile:
 
you msut also consider that there will be a barrier of sorts made in the middle, it will be called a depletion region common in semiconductors of today, anyway... this will have a charge potential built across the barrier, ie. from one side of tank to the other, this potential is what gives the voltage drop for the circuit. then apply some resistance fromt he leads coming out form the top of the tank, and you have your current.
 
Hi,

I have some hard to follow your explanation. :confused:
1/ The vat is filled with electrolytes. Im' not sure there is semiconductor effect there?
2/ In the first step of my experience, there is no wires and no electrical circuit.
 
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