Linear algebra, determinants, and transposes

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The discussion revolves around proving the property that the determinant of a transpose of a matrix is equal to the determinant of the matrix itself, specifically det(A^t) = det(A). The subject area is linear algebra, focusing on determinants and their properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to prove the equality of the determinants by considering the definition of a determinant and exploring its properties. Questions are raised about how the products of diagonals change under a transpose and whether the definitions used apply to matrices of different sizes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing definitions and questioning the applicability of certain formulas. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the determinant definition, but no consensus has been reached on a specific approach to the proof.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of constraints regarding the definitions of determinants for different matrix sizes, and some participants express uncertainty about the straightforwardness of the formulas being discussed.

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Okay, I need to prove that det(A^t) = det(A). I can see that it's true because I know columns and rows are interchangable (meaning you can use columns or rows when taking determinants), but I don't know how to prove this fact. Any help would be very appreciated.
 
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hgj said:
Okay, I need to prove that det(A^t) = det(A). I can see that it's true because I know columns and rows are interchangable (meaning you can use columns or rows when taking determinants), but I don't know how to prove this fact. Any help would be very appreciated.
Well, a determinant of a matrix is the sum of the products of its diagonals minus the products of its antidiagonals. How do these products change under a transpose?
 
[tex]\det{A}=\sum_{i=1}^{m}\left(-1\right)^{i+j}a_{ij}\det{A_{ij}}[/tex]

Do you see what happens when you try to prove det(AT)=det(A) for 2x2 or 3x3 matrices? Use the definition.

Edit: To the above poster: Doesn't that definition only work for 3x3 matrices?
 
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JoAuSc: that's only for 3x3 matrices.

apmcavoy: I don't believe that formula helps, at least not in a straightforward manner.

hgj: what are you using as the definition of a determinant? And have you yet proven that the determinant is multiplicative?
 
If A is an nxn matrix, then
detA = a11det(A11) - a21*det(A21) + ... + (-1)^(n+1)*an1*det(An1)
(sorry, I don't know how to make things subscripts on this, so the 11, 21,...,n1 are supposed to be subscripts)

That's the definition we're using for a determinant.
 
hgj said:
If A is an nxn matrix, then
detA = a11det(A11) - a21*det(A21) + ... + (-1)^(n+1)*an1*det(An1)
(sorry, I don't know how to make things subscripts on this, so the 11, 21,...,n1 are supposed to be subscripts)

That's the definition we're using for a determinant.

Ok, that's the same thing I posted above. I suppose you could write it out like you did for both A and AT, and then rearrange and show they are equal.
 

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