Can You See Other Stars While Sitting on the Sun?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether a person could see light from other stars while hypothetically sitting on the Sun. Participants explore the implications of light behavior, human vision limitations, and the nature of the Sun's structure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the intense light from the Sun would prevent the visibility of other stars due to overwhelming optical noise.
  • One participant suggests that human pupils would be too dilated to see stars, comparing it to looking at stars while being blinded by a flashlight.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Sun does not have a solid surface, complicating the idea of "sitting on the Sun" and suggesting that the photosphere would scatter light, obscuring the view of stars.
  • It is noted that while a perfect light detector might discern external light sources, the Sun's emissions would likely overwhelm them, except for extremely powerful sources like quasars or supernovae.
  • Discussion includes a comparison to viewing conditions on Mars, where atmospheric scattering also obscures the view of distant stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the visibility of stars from the Sun, with some focusing on human visual limitations and others on the physical properties of light and the Sun's structure. No consensus is reached.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumptions about human vision under extreme light conditions and the ambiguous nature of the Sun's structure, which complicates the discussion of visibility.

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This is a thing that I would like help with.

If I was sitting on the sun (impossible I know) would I see light from any other source entering my location? If not why not?
 
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jjw004 said:
This is a thing that I would like help with.

If I was sitting on the sun (impossible I know) would I see light from any other source entering my location? If not why not?
I believe no, but only because your pupils would be too dialated to see the stars (like if you try to look at the stars while someone's shining a flashlight in your eyes).

Do you have reason to think otherwise, jjw004?
 
Hi Severian 596:

You are no doubt correct but I was not focused on Human frailities.

This was intended as an exercise in whether light intercepts other light sources.
Way over my head but something I would like opinions on.

If all else fails I may be compeled to venture some thing as you request.

Jim Wood
 
Severian596 said:
I believe no, but only because your pupils would be too dialated to see the stars (like if you try to look at the stars while someone's shining a flashlight in your eyes).

Do you have reason to think otherwise, jjw004?

I always thought that ones eyes dilates in the darkness and when you pass a flashlight through the eyes they shrink. (Dilates to allow more light to enter.)
 
quasi426 said:
I always thought that ones eyes dilates in the darkness and when you pass a flashlight through the eyes they shrink. (Dilates to allow more light to enter.)
You know, you're right! You learn something new every day. =D
Dilated: made wider or larger in all dimensions; "a dilated pupil"

Jim, light behaves like a wave, so it sounds like you're interested in wave interference behavior. Here you go!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wave+interference
 
Jim, even if you used a perfect light detector, the optical noise from the sun's emissions would swamp just about any external light source with the exception of perhaps a nearby quasar or supernova.

In short, it would take an extremely powerful light source to overcome the optical noise generated by the sun.

Claude.
 
jjw004 said:
This is a thing that I would like help with.

If I was sitting on the sun (impossible I know) would I see light from any other source entering my location? If not why not?

Well, the sun doesn't have a surface, per se, so "sitting on the sun" is somewhat ambiguous. The disk of the sun that we see when we look up into the sky is called the photosphere. This can be crudely thought of as the deepest part of the sun from which a photon can escape without scattering away. If we can see down to the photosphere, then one might naively think that we could see out from it. This is not the case, however.

Why? Think about the pictures you've seen of, for example, Mars. With a decent telescope, you can see the surface very clearly. However, if you look from its surface, as the rover did:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/04-13-2004_Methane_on_Mars/mars-bluesky.jpg

then you won't see the Earth or any stars. The basic reason is that, although most of the light can make it through the atmosphere, the small fraction of it that doesn't is enough to fill the sky with a haze of scattered light. The same would be true on the photosphere of the sun. In principle, a very precise instrument might be able to separate the stars from the scattered background light, but our eyes wouldn't even come close. That's why Severian596 was emphasizing the limitations of the human eye.
 

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