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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion between series and products, specifically focusing on the relationship expressed in the context of Dirichlet series and Euler products. Participants explore the mathematical principles and conditions under which these conversions can be reliably made, including convergence issues and specific examples such as the Riemann Zeta function.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a series can be converted to a product using the relationship \(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{s}}=\prod_{p}\left(1-p^{-s}\right)^{-1}\), particularly when the coefficients of the Dirichlet series are multiplicative functions.
  • Others argue that exponentials can turn sums into products and logarithms can turn products into sums, suggesting that \(\exp(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{s}})=\prod_{n=1}^{\infty}\exp(\frac{1}{n^{s}})\) holds under certain conditions.
  • A later reply questions the matching of terms via exponentiation, noting that the product in the original post is likely an Euler product over primes, specifically related to the Riemann Zeta function.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of absolute convergence for both sums and products when applying these transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability and conditions for converting series to products and vice versa. There is no consensus on the specific methods or the implications of these transformations, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations related to convergence issues and the specific nature of the functions involved in the series and products. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Is there any reliable way to convert a series to a product, or the opposite? I was looking at the following and wanted to know more:

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{s}}=\prod_{p}\left(1-p^{-s}\right)^{-1}
 
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apmcavoy said:
Is there any reliable way to convert a series to a product, or the opposite? I was looking at the following and wanted to know more:

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{s}}=\prod_{p}\left(1-p^{-s}\right)^{-1}

If the coefficients of your Dirichlet series is a multiplicative function f, that is

\sum_{n=1}^\infty f(n)n^{-s}

then you can write this as an Euler product

\prod_{p}(1+f(p)p^{-s}+f(p^2)p^{-2s}+\ldots)

where the product is over the primes (this is assuming you have absolute convergence of both product and sum). You can think of this as the fundamental theorem of arithmetic in an analytic form. There are plenty of interesting examples of this, powers of Zeta, Dirichlet L-functions, and anything that gets the name "L-function" is usually assumed to satisfy some form of this (as well as many other properties).

For more general sums and products you can still use exponentiation and logarithms to convert from one to another, again being careful with convergence issues if any.
 
apmcavoy said:
Is there any reliable way to convert a series to a product, or the opposite? I was looking at the following and wanted to know more:

\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{s}}=\prod_{p}\left(1-p^{-s}\right)^{-1}
Exponentials turn sums into products, while logarithms turn products into sums. So:
exp(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{s}})=\prod_{n=1}^{\infty}exp(\frac{1}{n^{s}})
You must now find p such that
\left(1-p^{-s}\right)^{-1} = exp(\frac{1}{n^{s}})
 
SGT said:
Exponentials turn sums into products, while logarithms turn products into sums. So:
exp(\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n^{s}})=\prod_{n=1}^{\infty}exp(\frac{1}{n^{s}})
You must now find p such that
\left(1-p^{-s}\right)^{-1} = exp(\frac{1}{n^{s}})

Although it wasn't mentioned, the product in the orignal post is almost surely a product over all the primes (it's the Euler product form of the Riemann Zeta function. The terms won't match up via exponentiation like this.
 

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