Max Electrical Force of Two Protons Aimed Toward Each Other

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum electrical force between two protons aimed toward each other by a cyclotron accelerator, with a focus on the conservation of energy principles and the application of Coulomb's law.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy, questioning how to derive the force from potential energy and the appropriate variables to use in the calculations.

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Some participants have suggested rewriting the conservation of energy equation for clarity and have proposed methods to find the distance of closest approach. There is ongoing exploration of how to equate kinetic energy with potential energy to solve for the distance and subsequently the force.

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There is some ambiguity regarding the interpretation of variables, particularly the radius and the role of the Earth in the calculations. Participants are also discussing the initial and final states of energy in the context of the problem.

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Q Two protons are aimed directly toward each other by a cyclotron accelerator with speeds of 1650 km/s, measured relative to the earth. find the maximum electrical force that these protons will exert on each other?
K_a + -U_a= K_b + U_b and K_a=0, U_b=0
-U_a=K_b
K_b= 1/2mv^2
U_a= (1/(4*pi*epsilon_0)((q*q_0)/r)
F=qE
is the radius of the Earth r and how do i get the force from potential energy?
 
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gmuniz said:
K_a + -U_a= K_b + U_b and K_a=0, U_b=0
If this is meant to be conservation of energy, rewrite it like this:
[tex]{KE}_i + U_i = {KE}_f + U_f[/tex]
where K_i is the initial KE; K_f = 0; U_i = 0; U_f is the electrical potential energy when the protons have momentarily stopped.

Use this to find the distance of closest approach, where KE = 0. Once you have that distance, use Coulomb's law to find the force.
 
is r=((q^2/4*pi*epsilon_0)(1/K_i)
 
No. Solve for r by equating the intial KE (of both protons) with the final electric potential energy, which depends on r.
 

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