Relativistic Energy- well a basic algebraic simplification

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The discussion revolves around the algebraic simplification of the relativistic energy equation, specifically focusing on the expression for velocity "u" in relation to energy "E" and mass "m".

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to simplify an equation related to relativistic energy but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their steps. Participants question the validity of the algebraic manipulations and clarify the rules regarding square roots of sums. There is also a discussion about the correct formulation of the equation for "u".

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the algebraic steps involved in the simplification. Some guidance has been provided regarding the correct interpretation of square roots in the context of the equation, and there is an ongoing exploration of the correct expression for "u".

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the application of algebraic rules, particularly in relation to square roots and the manipulation of terms in the equation. The original poster acknowledges a lack of familiarity with the simplification process.

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a little rough on this simplification, is this correct?
solving for "u"

E = mc^2 / (root)(1-u^2/c^2)

(root)(1-u^2/c^2) = mc^2/E

1 - u^2/c^2 = (mc^2/E)^2

1 = (mc^2/E)^2 + u^2/c^2

c^2 = (mc^2/E)^2 (c^2) + u^2 -> (sq root everything)


u = c - mc^3/E

pretty bad i don't know this basic simplification, but it'll all come back quickly enuf

thanks for the help :smile:

-Neil
 
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c^2 = (mc^2/E)^2 (c^2) + u^2 -> (sq root everything)


u = c - mc^3/E

Your mistake occurs on the transition between these two lines

when you take the root of a function which has two terms added together, it is not equivalent to the root of each one added together

ie root (a^2 + b^2) is not equal to (a + b)

so you should really have
u = root ((mc^2/E)^2(c^2) + u^2)
 
alright thank you :smile:


Warr said:
so you should really have
u = root ((mc^2/E)^2(c^2) + u^2)

but do you mean

u = root ((mc^2/E)^2(c^2) + c^2) but actually u = root (c^2 - (mc^2/E)^2(c^2) ) :confused:
 
ah sorry, yes that's what I meant to type

also you could further make it so that

u = root (c^2(1 - (mc^2/E)^2))
u = c*root(1 - (mc^2/E)^2)
 
great! thanks a lot for the help :smile:
-Neil
 

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