History of Steel: From Wood/Bone/Sinew to Metals

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The discussion centers on the historical development of steel and its evolution from early materials like wood, bone, and sinew to modern alloys, particularly stainless steel. Participants share resources and insights into the timeline and technological advancements that contributed to this progression.

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  • Some participants express amazement at the progression from primitive materials to advanced metals, highlighting the significance of this evolution.
  • One participant mentions the Iron Bridge as an example of early metal construction that still utilized traditional woodworking techniques.
  • Several participants reference various articles and links that provide detailed historical accounts of steel and stainless steel development.
  • There is a discussion about the introduction of chromium to steel and the timeline surrounding the creation of stainless steel, with some participants suggesting it occurred around 1912.
  • One participant cites historical figures and processes involved in the development of stainless steel, noting the challenges faced in producing alloys with the desired properties.
  • Another participant reflects on the historical context of aluminum's value and its role in the production of stainless steel, suggesting a complex interplay of discoveries.
  • Uncertainty is expressed regarding the accuracy of historical claims, with participants inviting corrections or additional insights.

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Participants generally agree on the significance of the historical development of steel and stainless steel, but there are multiple competing views regarding specific timelines and processes involved. The discussion remains unresolved on certain historical details.

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Some claims about the history of stainless steel are based on interpretations of various sources, including Wikipedia, and may contain inaccuracies or incomplete information. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the timeline and technological advancements.

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An interesting site:
http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/def_en/kap_5/advanced/t5_1_4.html

It is amazing how humans have progressed from wood/bone/sinew to stone to metals - to highly technical materials.

http://www.key-to-steel.com/Articles/Art106.htm - Part 1
http://www.key-to-steel.com/Articles/Art109.htm - Part 2

http://www.jindalstainless.com/stainlesssource/know-stainless-steel/

http://www.carnegielibrary.org/subject/history/coalsteel.html
 
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Astronuc said:
It is amazing how humans have progressed from wood/bone/sinew to stone to metals - to highly technical materials.

It sure is. If you're ever in the area, take a trip to http://www.bpmlegal.com/scotland/2002/gif/d4-IronBridge.jpg, the first metal bridge to be built. It still uses many wood working techniques such as dove tail jointing. I find it fascinating.

I'll be sure to take a look at yourr links tomorrow when i have more time.
 
What a fantastic bridge matt! Its just beautiful.
I think it was around the turn of the century when someone added chromium to steel and made the first stainless steel.
 
hypatia said:
What a fantastic bridge matt! Its just beautiful.
I think it was around the turn of the century when someone added chromium to steel and made the first stainless steel.

roughly around the turn-----the date several sites give is 1912

Astronuc has a link to a history of stainless, but this is also informative:
http://www.stainless-steel-world.net/basicfacts/history.asp

and especially this:
http://www.stainless-steel-world.net/basicfacts/history_first.asp

Wiki gives some 19th century forerunners of the 1912-1913 discovery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel

---quote Wiki---
The corrosion resistance of iron-chromium alloys was first recognized in 1821 by the French metallurgist Pierre Berthier, who noted their resistance against attack by some acids and suggested their use in cutlery. However, the metallurgists of the 19th century were unable to produce the combination of low carbon and high chromium found in most modern stainless steels, and the high-chromium alloys they could produce were too brittle to be of practical interest.
This situation changed in the late 1890s, when Hans Goldschmidt of Germany developed an aluminothermic (thermite) process for producing carbon-free chromium. In the years 1904-1911, several researchers, particularly Leon Guillet of France, prepared alloys that would today be considered stainless steel. In 1911, Philip Monnartz of Germany reported on the relationship between the chromium content and corrosion resistance of these alloys.
Harry Brearley of the Brown-Firth research laboratory in Sheffield, England is most commonly credited as the "inventor" of stainless steel. In 1913, while seeking an erosion-resistant alloy for gun barrels, he discovered and subsequently industrialized a martensitic stainless steel alloy. However, similar industrial developments were taking place contemporaneously at the Krupp Iron Works in Germany, where Eduard Maurer and Benno Strauss were developing an austenitic alloy (21% chromium, 7% nickel), and in the United States, where Christian Dantsizen and Frederick Becket were industrializing ferritic stainless.
---end quote---

so it seems something subtle was going on, already in 1821 people KNEW to mix chromium in with iron and had the idea of stainless steel, but all the chromium available had TOO MUCH CARBON IN IT.
they were apparently using carbon to reduce the chromium oxide and win the metal from the oxide, which left a residue of carbon.

the breakthrough was roundabout. first learn to win aluminum from ITS oxide by electrolysis, then make powder aluminum and mix THAT with chromium oxide
then apply heat in the absence of air, and the aluminum GOBBLES THE OXYGEN taking it away from the chromium and so you get the pure metal (without residue of carbon) (there would be aluminum oxide but it would slag off, i guess)
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I could be wrong about the history, I am just interpreting what I think Wiki is saying. If somebody knows different, please say. If this is right then the curious roundaboutness is that you couldn't get stainless steel until you first figured out how to produce aluminum from its oxide by electricity.
 
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Not so suprising that they dabbled in aluminum, at one time it was far more precious then gold.
 

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