Do Sigma-Algebras Need to Include the Empty Set and Underlying Set?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of a sigma-algebra \(\mathcal{F}\) over a set \(\Omega\), specifically questioning whether the inclusion of the empty set and the underlying set \(\Omega\) as elements of \(\mathcal{F}\) is necessary. The scope includes theoretical aspects of sigma-algebras in probability theory.

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  • Some participants note that many sources, including Wikipedia, require that either \(\Omega\) or the empty set be included in \(\mathcal{F}\), while others, like Durrett, do not explicitly state this requirement.
  • One participant suggests that since \(\mathcal{F}\) is nonempty and closed under complements and countable unions, it follows that \(\Omega\) and the empty set must be included in \(\mathcal{F}\).
  • Another participant argues that the definition of a sigma-algebra only requires closure under complements and countable unions, implying that the inclusion of \(\Omega\) and the empty set does not need to be explicitly stated.
  • A later reply asserts that if a set \(E\) is in \(\mathcal{F}\), then both the empty set and \(\Omega\) can be derived from the properties of closure under complements and unions.

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Participants express differing views on whether the inclusion of the empty set and the underlying set \(\Omega\) is necessary in the definition of a sigma-algebra. No consensus is reached, as some argue for their necessity while others contend that the definition suffices without them.

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Participants highlight that the definition of a sigma-algebra may vary across sources, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of closure properties on the inclusion of specific sets.

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I had a quick question concerning the definition of a [itex]\sigma[/itex]-algebra [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] over a set [itex]\Omega[/itex]. Most sources I've seen (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma-algebra ) require that [itex]\Omega[/itex] or the empty set be an element of [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex].

Is this necessary? I ask because I am looking at "Probability: Theory and Examples" by Durrett, and he does not state that as a requirement. He only requires that an element's complement be in [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] and that countable (possibly infinite) unions of elements (in the set) remain in the set. Additionally, he says that [itex]\mathcal{F} \neq \emptyset[/itex], but this does not necessarily imply that the empty set is in [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex].

So, has Durrett just forgotten to include this? Do his later results assume this requirement? Or is it the case this is an unnecessary requirement?
 
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Specifically, he states:

if [itex]A_i \in \mathcal{F}[/itex] is a countable sequence of sets then [itex]\cup_i A_i \in \mathcal{F}[/itex]

I think this is my answer. Let the sequence consist of only the set [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex]. Then [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] (and hence the empty set as well) is in [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex].

Correct?
 
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ghotra said:
I had a quick question concerning the definition of a [itex]\sigma[/itex]-algebra [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] over a set [itex]\Omega[/itex]. Most sources I've seen (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma-algebra ) require that [itex]\Omega[/itex] or the empty set be an element of [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex].

Is this necessary? I ask because I am looking at "Probability: Theory and Examples" by Durrett, and he does not state that as a requirement. He only requires that an element's complement be in [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] and that countable (possibly infinite) unions of elements (in the set) remain in the set. Additionally, he says that [itex]\mathcal{F} \neq \emptyset[/itex], but this does not necessarily imply that the empty set is in [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex].

So, has Durrett just forgotten to include this? Do his later results assume this requirement? Or is it the case this is an unnecessary requirement?

let [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] be a sigma algebra over a set [itex]\Omega[/itex]
since [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] in noempty there exists an [itex]A\in\mathcal{F}[/itex] since [itex]\mathcal{F}[/itex] is a sigma algebra [itex]A^c\in\mathcal{F}[/itex] and [itex]A\bigcup A^c=\Omega\in\mathcal{F}[/itex]
 
a sigma algebra R on a set X is a nonempty collection of sets satisfying the following:
i) R closed under complements
ii) R closed under countable unions
& that's all

we can derive the fact that the set X on which the algebra is defined, is in R and also the empty set. the empty set is in every sigma algebra because if E is in R, then E\E (=empty set) is in R since R is closed under complementation. also E union E' = X is also in R. so no, the definition doesn't need to include anything about the empty set or the underlying set X is in the algebra.
 

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