Thermodynamics problem; App of 1st law, work, adiabatic processes, and enthelpy

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the application of the first law, work, adiabatic processes, and enthalpy. Participants are exploring the relationship between internal energy, temperature, and pressure, specifically focusing on the partial derivative of internal energy with respect to temperature at constant pressure.

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  • One participant presents a formula involving the partial derivative of internal energy with respect to temperature at constant pressure, expressing it in terms of heat capacity and expansivity coefficient.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the relationship between enthalpy and internal energy, proposing to differentiate the equation while keeping pressure constant.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial participant found clarity in the explanation provided, suggesting a positive reception to the technical guidance.

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The question is as follows:

the partial derivative (given as a partial, but i don't know the notation, so letter d is really little delta for the partial)

(du/dT)p = Cp - P(Beta)v​

where Beta = expansivity coefficient = 1/v (dv/dT)p

again, all the "d's" are lowercase delta's for the partial derrivatives, and the "p's" next to the partials and the one with the Cp are to signify that pressure is constant.

I know i need to start with enthalpy, dh, but I am pretty much stuck. if someone would point me in the right direction i would be much obliged. thanks :devil:
 
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It appears that one is trying to show the relationship:

(du/dT)p = Cp - P(Beta)v

or

[tex](\frac{\partial u}{\partial T})_p = c_p - p\beta v[/tex]

where

[tex]\beta = \frac{1}{v} (\frac{\partial v}{\partial T})_p[/tex]


OK, how about starting with [tex]h = u + pv[/tex], or

[tex]u = h - pv[/tex]

differentiating with respect to T at constant P,

[tex](\frac{\partial u}{\partial T})_p = (\frac{\partial h}{\partial T})_p - (\frac{\partial (pv)}{\partial T})_p[/tex]

and go from there remembering the definition of [itex]c_p[/itex] is

[tex]c_p = (\frac{\partial h}{\partial T})_p[/tex]
 
thanks

duh, thank a lot. i see it clearly now. much thanks
 
I have those moments too. :biggrin:
 

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