How do you realize what's moral and what's immoral?

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The discussion explores the concepts of morality and immorality, focusing on how individuals discern these values and the motivations behind their actions. It touches on philosophical, psychological, and ethical dimensions of moral reasoning.

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  • One participant emphasizes the importance of considering the larger picture and the long-term consequences of actions rather than isolated events.
  • Another participant references the Pharisees as an example of rule-obsession that may lack the underlying spirit of morality, suggesting that moral understanding can be complex and context-dependent.
  • A participant expresses that their physiological and evolved behavior drives them to avoid causing pain or cheating others, indicating a natural inclination towards moral behavior.
  • There is a suggestion that secular laws do not always align with personal moral beliefs, leading to the idea that breaking the law may not necessarily be viewed as immoral.
  • One participant discusses the concept of triage, implying that sometimes causing pain may be justified if it leads to a greater overall benefit.
  • Another participant notes that the definition of success varies among individuals, which may influence their moral decisions.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of morality, the role of laws, and the justification of actions that may cause harm. There is no consensus on how to define or realize what is moral versus immoral.

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Participants reference various philosophical and psychological concepts, but the discussion remains open-ended with no settled definitions or conclusions regarding morality.

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How do you realize what's moral and what's immoral? And why do you try not to act immorally?
 
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I try to see the larger picture rather than simply weighing an isolated event...because they and we don't exist in a vacuum. I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisee#.22Pharisees.22_and_Christianity" is an apt example - The Pharisees are rule-obsessed and often seem to lack the spirit in which the rules were written. Jesus scorns them for walking the walk but not talking the talk, essentially. I've read in a few places that this is a Christian twisting of what really went on, but it still exemplifies what I'm trying to say.

So, it's hard to pin down generalities in that case. My physiology and evolved behavior cause me to not want to cause pain or cheat others (as with all primates). I don't necessarily see secular law as coinciding with my abstract notions, so breaking the law isn't necessarily immoral for me. The only general thing I can say is that when other people are involved, I try to take into consideration what is going to be the most beneficial outcome in the long run - eg allowing pain in the present for what I perceive as benefits in the long run, ie understanding (and with it freedom), opportunity. As a consequence, I'm usually pretty blunt, tho not unnecessarily so. I think the motivating force in my life is to seek truth and understand the relationship between myself and the universe, so I'm not going to balk at causing pain along the way because I see what may come from it as more beneficial. - That seems like the rub of it.

For me, acting immoral is thumbing my nose at something I respect and am guided by. It's counterproductive to my motivations and is esp unpleasant if it involves hurting others. I could act immorally without hurting others, but it'd be degrading to what I have faith in.
 
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0TheSwerve0 said:
I'm not going to balk at causing pain along the way because I see what may come from it as more beneficial.
I.e., triage.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage
 
LOL, quirky:smile:
 
The general use of the word triage is sanctioned by the M-W Unabridged dictionary:

: the assigning of priority order to projects on the basis of where funds and other resources can be best used, are most needed, or are most likely to achieve success
 
Appropriate then. I guess the main difference between people,then, is what they view as a success.
 

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