Proving SL(2,R) is a Subgroup of GL(2,R)

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The problem involves proving that the Special Linear group SL(2,R), defined as the set of 2x2 matrices with real entries and determinant equal to 1, is a subgroup of the General Linear group GL(2,R), which consists of all invertible 2x2 matrices with real entries. The discussion centers around the subgroup criteria and the properties of determinants.

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  • Participants discuss the subgroup criteria, including the identity element and the properties of determinants. Questions arise about whether the identity matrix is included in SL(2,R) and how to demonstrate that the product and inverse of matrices in SL(2,R) also belong to the group.

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Some participants have confirmed that the identity matrix is indeed in SL(2,R) and are exploring the implications of the determinant properties for proving subgroup status. Others are considering a related problem involving GL(2,Q) and its relationship to GL(2,R), discussing the necessity of determinants being non-zero.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and properties of the groups involved, particularly regarding the nature of the matrices and their determinants. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the determinant being zero and the requirements for subgroup membership.

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I have a problem that states

Define the Special linear group by: (Let R denote real numbers)

[tex]SL(2,R) = \{ A\in GL(2,R): det(A)=1\}[/tex]

Prove that SL(2,R) is a subgroup of GL(2,R).

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Now a subset H of a group G is a subgroup if:
i) [tex]1 \in H[/tex]
ii) if [tex]x,y \in H[/tex], then [tex]xy \in H[/tex]
iii) if [tex]if x\in H[/tex], then [tex]x^{-1} \in H[/tex]

I have very little knowledge of matricies and I don't even see how 1 could be in SL(2,R), other than maybe something saying that GL(2,R) has 1, so SL(2,R) must have it too, but I bet there is a more appropriate way.

Also what would H be here? Would it a set containing matricies or numbers?
 
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In your case you should identify G with the group/set GL(2) and H with the group/set (to be proved) SL(2). G is the set of all 2x2 matrices with real entries, and H is the subset of G consisting of all 2x2 matrices that have determinant 1. When trying to prove something is in H, you've got to figure out it if its determinant is 1, right? So you're goal is always to show that the determinant is 1 when trying to prove that something is a member of H.

First, is the identity in H? H is the set of all 2x2 matrices with unit determinant, so does I fit the bill?

Second, if x and y are in H, then it means det(x) = 1 and det(y) = 1, so what can you say about det(xy)?

Third, if det(x) = 1, then what can you say about det(x^-1)?
 
So 1 is not in H then.

1 is instead the identity matrix:

[tex]\begin{array}{cc}1&0\\0&1\end{array}[/tex]
 
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You are right that the number 1 is not in H since H consists of 2x2 matrices. The identity matrix is in H, however.
 
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Ok, so I then prove that the identity matrix is in H, that seems much more possible.

Well certainly the identity matrix is in G, and also the det(identity Matrix) = 1.
 
Great, step 1 down.
 
Ok I figured out the whole problem. Thanks for the help!
 
Ok a similar problem.

Prove that GL(2,Q) is a subgroup of GL(2,R)

I have done the first two steps, but the inverse is throwing me off.

Is there something that says the determinant cannot be 0? Because my book defines the following
if x =
[tex]\begin{array}{cc}d&-c\\-b&a\end{array}[/tex]
then x-1 =
[tex]\begin{array}{cc}d/det&-c/det\\-b/det&a/det\end{array}[/tex]

So unless there is something that says these two groups cannot have determinants of 0, then I am not sure what is going on with the problem. Thanks!
 
In GL(2,Q) what does the Q mean? I don't believe I've ever seen that before.

Also, the definition of the general linear group includes the requirement that the matrices be invertible, so they must all have determinant not equal to zero.
 
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Sorry. The Q represents rational numbers (a/b: a,b are integers, and b [tex]\neq[/tex] 0)
 
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Right, of course. Well if you've got everything except the inverse then you're basically done. You know the inverse exists because the matrices come from [tex]GL(2,Q) \subset GL(2,R)[/tex]. Now all you have to do is prove all the elements of the inverse are rational numbers.
 
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edit2.. Ok, I got it now. Thanks for the help again!
 
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