Derivative of Hyperbolic function

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the hyperbolic function y=cosh(x^2 + loge(x)) and the equation e^y + ytanh(x) = x. Participants express uncertainty about the appropriate differentiation rules and whether partial derivatives are necessary.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the need to reference calculus resources for differentiation rules related to hyperbolic functions. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the logarithmic term in the function. Some participants share their current approach to rewriting the function and express concerns about the complexity of the derivative.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on where to find relevant information and encouraging the original poster to clarify their understanding of the function's components. There is no explicit consensus yet, as multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note constraints such as the original poster not having access to their textbook and the expectation that they should make some attempt at the problem before seeking help.

Rizzamabob
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Hey,
Need help in the steps to take to find the derivative of
y=cosh(x^2 + loge(x))
and e^y +ytanh(x) = x

I have never seen them before, therefor not sure which rule to use, I am thinking the second needs partial derivatives :bugeye:
Thanks!
 
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Look up 'hyperbolic functions' in the index of your calculus book.

In my calculus book the rules for differentiating and integrating hyperbolic functions are buried in a chapter, rather than listed on the front inside cover.

I bet your book is set up in the same way.
 
And one other thing...

Rizzamabob said:
y=cosh(x^2 + loge(x)[/color])

Is the part in red[/color] supposed to be [itex]\log_e(x)[/itex] (as in [itex]\ln(x)[/itex]), or is that supposed to be [itex]\log\left(e^x\right)[/itex]?
 
Left my book at uni, that's why i need help now :(
 
Tom Mattson said:
And one other thing...



Is the part in red[/color] supposed to be [itex]\log_e(x)[/itex] (as in [itex]\ln(x)[/itex]), or is that supposed to be [itex]\log\left(e^x\right)[/itex]?
[itex]\log_e(x)[/itex]
Thanks:bugeye:
 
Rizzamabob said:
Left my book at uni, that's why i need help now :(

Google, buddy, Google.

We're happy to help you with your questions, but as per the notice at the top of this Forum, you have to make some attempt. I'll introduce you to your two new best friends:

Wikipedia
Math World

You will find definitions to all things mathematical at those sites. So, please search for "hyperbolic functions", compose your thoughts on the problem, and let us know where you're stuck. You'll be better off for it!
 
Thanks, atm I am working this way

y = (x^2 (e^x + e^-x))/2 + ([itex]\log_e(x)[/itex](e^x + e^-x))/2

===>

y = ((e^x + e^-x) (x^2 + [itex]\log_e(x)[/itex]))/2


Then try to find dy/dx i have a feeling it will be YUCK
 
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Rizzamabob said:
Thanks, atm I am working this way

OK, now we're cooking.

I think that it would behoove you to either work out or look up the derivative of the hyperbolic cosine function. You'll need it later.

y = (x^2 (e^x + e^-x))/2 + ([itex]\log_e(x)[/itex](e^x + e^-x))/2

No, that's not it.

The way you've written the problem, it should be the hyperbolic cosine of [itex]x^2+\log_e(x)[/tex], but above you've interpreted it as [itex]\cosh(x)[/itex] <b><i>times</i></b> that function.<br /> <br /> It should be as follows:<br /> <br /> [tex]\cosh\left(x^2+log_e(x)\right)=\frac{e^{\left(x^2+log_e(x)\right)}+e^{-\left(x^2+log_e(x)\right)}}{2}[/tex]<br /> <br /> Now, that does look nasty but fortunately you don't have to deal with it as it is written on the right hand side. Once you know the derivative of the hyperbolic cosine, you need only to recognize that you have the following composite function:<br /> <br /> [tex]f(u)=\cosh(u)[/tex]<br /> [tex]u(x)=x^2+\log_e(x)[/tex]<br /> <br /> Do you know what rule you need to use to differentiate a composite function?[/itex]
 
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