Managing Blackbody Radiation in Magnetic Confinement Fusion

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The discussion centers on the management of blackbody radiation in magnetic confinement fusion, particularly focusing on the implications of high temperatures and the nature of plasma as a medium. Participants explore various aspects of radiation, energy loss mechanisms, and measurement techniques related to plasma behavior in fusion environments.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the plasma in magnetic confinement fusion is a highly ionized gas, which differs from a solid blackbody radiator, leading to unique radiation characteristics.
  • There is discussion about electromagnetic radiation losses due to recombination and cyclotron radiation, which impact the first wall of the confinement chamber, necessitating cooling systems.
  • One participant suggests that while the conversion efficiency of systems like the steam Rankine cycle may be low, recovering energy is still economically beneficial for fusion power plants.
  • Another participant raises questions about the blackbody spectrum at high temperatures (e.g., 5 keV) and the transparency of plasma at those wavelengths, indicating that wave propagation in plasma is complex.
  • Technical details are provided regarding the densities and temperatures of tokamak plasmas, including their low collisionality and high conductivity, which affect wave propagation and absorption mechanisms.
  • Landau damping is mentioned as a potential mechanism for high-frequency electromagnetic wave absorption, particularly for relativistic electrons, although its impact is described as minimal for waves above the plasma frequency.
  • Participants discuss the emission of soft X-rays and electron-cyclotron radiation as methods for measuring plasma temperatures, noting that these emissions do not conform to the blackbody spectrum due to transparency effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of blackbody radiation in plasma, the mechanisms of energy loss, and the implications for measurement techniques. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on several technical aspects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about plasma transparency and the complexity of wave propagation in plasma, which are not fully resolved in the discussion. The relationship between emissivity and attenuation factors is also noted but not conclusively addressed.

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Even by taking low numbers for the surface area and emissivity of the plasma, the radiation would be extremely high due to high temepreatures in magnetic confinement fusion.

So how is blackbody radiation countered in magnetic confinement?
 
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Well the plasma is a highly ionized 'gas' so it is not like a solid blackbody radiator. The issue is EM radiation due to recombination and cyclotron radiation due to the fact that electrons are flying in all directions in a magnetic field. But basically, this energy is lost from the plasma and impinges on the first wall which is heated. Therefore the first wall and confinement chamber must be cooled. The heat can then be transferred to some type of energy recovery system or power conversion system, e.g. steam Rankine cycle. However the conversion efficiency of a Rankine cycle is likely to be low. On the other hand, recovering every little bit helps in the economics of a fusion power plant.

It might be possible to conceive of some photovoltaic system based on recent developements in carbon nanotubes at GE.

The other complication can be a hard neutron flux in the case of a fusion reaction such as DT which produces neutrons.
 
Thank you.
 
To answer your question you need to answer the following:
- for the temperatures considered (say 5 keV) what is the black body spectrum
- for the wavelength involved in this BB spectrum, is the plasma transparent or not ? (taking the size of the plasma into account, meters)
I guess that the plasma is transparent in these wavelength range, because the wavelength involved are very short.
Note however that such a plasma will not be transparent for all wavelength. Wave propagation in plasma is a rather complicated -but fascinating- subject.
A an application, several experimental techniques are used to measure plasma temperatures from its BB emission: electron-cyclotron radiation for example.
 
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The densities of tokamak plasmas are typically around 10^20 m^-3.

These plasmas are very hot, fully ionised. But they are not very dense, something close to a technical vacuum. In addition, higher temperatures imply faster particles and reduced collisionality. Therefore, collisions between electrons are not very frequent, as compared to 'usual' materials. Conductivity is high and resistivity is low. For example, a tokamak plasma can typically sustain a 1 Mega-Amps current induced from a 1 Volt force (a few m² section and 20 m cirumference). The collisions have nearly no impact on wave propagation, specially at high frequencies. Therefore collisions, or resistivity of the plasma is not an efficient wave damping mechanism in tokamak plasmas, actually extremely negligible.

In addition, plasmas do not "perturb" much wave propagations as long as the wave frequencies are higher than the "plasma frequency". For the density considered in tokamaks, this corresponds to typically 100 GHZ. For a 5 keV plasma, the maximum emission for the black-body radiation would fall in the PETA-Herz range (PHz), the soft x-rays region. This frequency is 1 million times higher than the tokamak plasma frequency. In this range, and even well below, the electrons cannot "react" to the wave and just let it propagate, like in vacuum. There is no need to talk about the ions, which are >1000 times more heavy and really frozen at these frequencies.

The only remaining mechanism that may allow an high frequency electromagnetic wave to be absorbed is collision-less damping called "Landau damping". Electrons with a velocity close to the wave velocity can "surf" on the wave and trap energy from. But, since the wave is nearly not pertubed by the plasma, it propagates at the speed of the light. Therefore only electrons moving close to the speed of light in the wave direction could interact with the wave and steal some energy. These are called 'relativistic' electrons. It is easy to check that with a temperature of 5 keV, there are very few relativistic electrons in the Boltzmann distribution. Therefore, the Landau damping is extremely small for waves above the plasma frequency.

Finally, if you remember that the emissivity is simply given by 1-exp(-a L), where a is the attenuation factor (m-1) and L the dimension of the plasma (m), you can easily understand that the emissivity above the plasma frequency is extremely small. Probably smaller than any value you had tried.

Below the plasma frequency things are more interesting, but also more complicated. There are numerous resonances where energy can be absorbed and therefore also emitted. Landau damping is again the main absorption mechanism.
An example is the electron-cyclotron resonance. It can be used to measure plasma temperature, when this resonnance occurs above the plasma frequency (harmonics can also be used). In tokamak plasma, the ECE emission (electron-cyclotron emission) are often emitted in the BB conditions. It is funny to note that ECE measuring devices are usually calibrated in laboratory by exposition to a oven at typically 1000°C which represents only 0.1 ev, at least 50000 times lower that the plasma temperature. The ECE detector are then coupled to a lock-in amplifier, otherwise they would not be able to detect temperatures as low as 1000°C.

Ions may also come in the play, like for ion-cyclotron waves. But a difference is that wavelengths are typically in the cm range or larger within the plasma, and the frequencies are rather low in the 100 MHz range. This is because the ion trajectories in tokamak magnetics fields are spirals with typical radius in the cm range. Their propagation is more difficult to analyse than ECE because of the magnetic field homogenities that play on a scale comparable to the wavelengths. In addition, in the vacuum the wavelengths are larger than meters. In principle these waves could offer a mean to measure ion temperatures. But this is on the border of feasibility and the interpretation is difficult because of the explained characteristics.

Finally note that there are radiations emitted from the plasma in the high frequency / transparency range of frequency. But the intensity is not given by the BB spectrum, because of the transparency (emitted radiations have no chance to get re-absorbed and thermodynamic equilibrium cannot be reached). For example, soft X-rays are actually emitted and are also used to measure plasma temperatures. The interpretation of these measurements is not based on the BB spectrum but on the individual particle emission theory combined with plasma density.
 
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