Battle of Hastings - October 14, 1066

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The discussion revolves around the Battle of Hastings, which took place on October 14, 1066. Participants explore various aspects of the battle, including the composition and willingness of Harold's army, the effectiveness of hastily gathered forces, and the circumstances surrounding the battle's outcome.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the soldiers in Harold's army went into battle willingly and discuss the effectiveness of a part-time army assembled in haste.
  • It is noted that Harold raised his army through traditional Anglo-Saxon methods, suggesting that at least the leaders were willing to fight against the invasion by Harald Hardraade.
  • Participants mention that Harold's army was fatigued and disorganized after their previous battle, which may have impacted their performance during the Battle of Hastings.
  • There is a suggestion that the outcome of the battle was not predetermined, and that Harold's death from an arrow could have changed the battle's result.
  • One participant argues that Harald Hardraade's decision-making during his encounter with Harold's forces was flawed, leading to a disadvantage for the Norwegian army.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the willingness of Harold's soldiers and the effectiveness of their hastily gathered army. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors on the battle's outcome.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on interpretations of historical accounts and may depend on the definitions of willingness and effectiveness in a military context. The discussion does not resolve the uncertainties surrounding the motivations and conditions of the armies involved.

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Another 61 years and it will be the 1000th anniversary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hastings
On September 28, 1066, William of Normandy, bent on asserting by arms his claim to the English crown, landed unopposed at Pevensey. Upon setting foot on the beach, William tripped and fell on his face. Saving face, he rose, grabbing handfuls of sand and shouted "I now take hold of the land of England!" On hearing the news, the Saxon King Harold, who had just destroyed the Norwegian army under King Harald Hardråda at the Battle of Stamford Bridge in Yorkshire, hurried southward, gathering what forces he could on the way.

On the morning of Saturday, October 14, Duke William gathered his army below the English position. The Norman army was of comparable size to the English force, and composed of William's Norman, Breton and Flemish vassals along with various Norman nobles and their retainers. The nobles had been promised English lands and titles in return for their material support. The army was deployed in the classic medieval fashion with the Normans taking the centre, the Bretons on the left wing and the Flemish on right wing. Each battle comprised infantry, cavalry and archers along with crossbowmen. The archers and crossbowmen stood to the front for the start of the battle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/normans/hastings_01.shtml

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/1066malmesbury.html

http://www.regia.org/hastings.htm
 
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Did the people that composed Harolds army go into battle willingly? and how
effective is a part time army gathered in haste ?
 
wolram said:
Did the people that composed Harolds army go into battle willingly? and how
effective is a part time army gathered in haste ?

Harold has raised his army, by the usual methods of Anglo-Saxon culture, which means that at least the leaders were willing, in order to fight off the other invasion, by Harald Hardraade of Norway. He defeated that invader in the North of England, and then heard about William's invasion, so he marched the army South to Senlac ("Hastings"). The army was pretty frazzled and fractious by that time, which showed in some failures of discpline during the battle. But it was by no means foreordained that Wiliam would win. If Harold hadn't been killed by an arrow that struck him through the eye-slit of his helmet - a complete fluke - the battle could have gone either way.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Harold has raised his army, by the usual methods of Anglo-Saxon culture, which means that at least the leaders were willing, in order to fight off the other invasion, by Harald Hardraade of Norway. He defeated that invader in the North of England,
Only because Harald had only a fraction of his army with him when he spotted Harold's army.
The dumb Norwegian thought he would dishonour himself if he made a hasty retreat to his main forces and gave the signal for a suicidal assault instead..
 

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