Please, ive been stuck on this inverse laplace for awhile

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace transform of a function with repeated complex roots, specifically addressing the challenges encountered in partial fraction decomposition. Participants explore various methods and calculations related to the problem, including the use of residues and the correct setup for partial fractions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the function Y(s) = s^2 / (s^2 + 4)^2 and describes difficulties in calculating coefficients for the partial fraction decomposition, particularly for terms involving repeated roots.
  • Another participant suggests that the partial fraction decomposition was set up incorrectly and recommends using terms of the form (As + B) for the numerators due to the quadratic nature of the polynomials.
  • A later reply indicates that the values for coefficients A and C are undefined, while B is stated as 1 and D as 1/4, but these results differ from those obtained using Maple software.
  • One participant corrects their earlier function to Y(s) = s^2 / [(s^2 + 4)^2 * (s^2 + 2)^2], noting that this change eliminates the issue of repeated roots but still leads to difficulties in determining coefficients.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the function and coefficients using the method of residues, but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their results.
  • One participant mentions not having learned the method of residues and states that they are restricted to using inverse Laplace methods for their class.
  • Another participant suggests that if the original poster has taken circuit analysis, they should be familiar with the method of residues and offers to explain it if needed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct setup for partial fraction decomposition and the methods to use for solving the problem. There is no consensus on the correct coefficients or the best approach to take, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention undefined values in their calculations, which may depend on the specific methods used or assumptions made during the process. The discussion also highlights the complexity of dealing with repeated and complex roots in Laplace transforms.

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I have to find the laplace inverse of a function y(s) which has repeated complex roots.
Y(s)=s^2 / (s^2+4)^2
so s=2i, s=2i, s=-2i, s=-2i.

My partial fraction is as follows:
A/(s-2i) + B/(s-2i)^2 + C/(s+2j) + D/(s+2j)^2

I use the standard method for finding regular repeated roots but I get stuck trying to calculating C and D. My values are undefined. My work is below...

A= d/ds[(s-2i)^2*Y(s)]=8s(3s^2-4)/(s^2+4)^3 + 4s^2(s^2-12)*i/(s^2+4)^3-->then you set s=2i which then results in A=-6i.

And B=1

But now for C, when I use the same process as A but instead of 2i, I use -2i, my answer is a number over 0 which results in undefined.

Am I even doing this problem correctly? Any help would be appreciated...

Thanks!
 
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You didn't do your partial fraction decomposition correctly. Because the polynomials are quadratic you need terms like (As + B) in the numerators.

BTW - if you are familiar with the Cauchy integral formula you could save yourself a lot of work and just evaluate the residues directly to evaluate the integral.
 
I gave it a go.

The values I have are:
A=undefined
B=1
C=undefined
D=1/4

Checked with maple 10
A=0
B=1
C=0
D=-4

However this was not done in complex numbers (for maple)

For my results I followed the method of residues. When evaulating for the Unknowns A and C (where you use d/ds) both resulted in undefined which I chose to interpret as just leave it alone:approve:

Obviously, you could evaluate this another way which would be advantageous right now but on a test where class lasts fifty minutes you need to know which method works most accurately. Since I am a novice at this I cannot be of much more help.
 
Actually I just realized my Y(s)=s^2 / [(s^2+4)^2*(s^2+2)^2]
so s=2i, s=-2i, s=sqrt(2)i, s=-sqrt(2)i
Thus, resulting in no repeating roots.

But I still have problems coming up with the coefficients.

I think you setup the partial fraction like this:

As+2B/(s^2+4)^2 + Cs+sqrt(2)D/(s^2+2)^2

But I don't know where to go from there...
 
Here is what I got

Ok, given:

Y(s) = s^2
[ (s-j2)^2*(s+j2)^2*(s-jsqrt(2))^2*(s+jsqrt(2))^2]

which equates to:

=K1/(s-j2)^2 + K2/(s-j2) + {plus the conjugates of K1 and K2}

Q1/(s-jsqrt(2))^2 + Q2/(s-jsqrt2) + {plus the conjugates of Q1 and Q2}

Solving for K1, K2, Q1 ,Q2 using the method of residues.

K1=6.1
K2=0
Q1=1/16
Q2=0

I do not know if this is correct but this is what I got. I really can't stand complex partial fraction decomposition.
 
Disar said:
Ok, given:
Y(s) = s^2
[ (s-j2)^2*(s+j2)^2*(s-jsqrt(2))^2*(s+jsqrt(2))^2]
which equates to:
=K1/(s-j2)^2 + K2/(s-j2) + {plus the conjugates of K1 and K2}
Q1/(s-jsqrt(2))^2 + Q2/(s-jsqrt2) + {plus the conjugates of Q1 and Q2}
Solving for K1, K2, Q1 ,Q2 using the method of residues.
K1=6.1
K2=0
Q1=1/16
Q2=0
I do not know if this is correct but this is what I got. I really can't stand complex partial fraction decomposition.


See, I haven't learned the method of residues...This problem is for my signals and systems class and I'm only allowed to use inverse laplace methods.
 
If you you've taken circuit analysis 2 then you should have seen the method of residues. Maybe you should refer to it. If not google it. If you are interested I can explain it to you quickly.
 

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