Work and Energy Related Problem

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The discussion revolves around problems related to work and energy, specifically focusing on power calculations in mechanical systems. Participants are exploring how to apply formulas correctly to determine time and power in different scenarios involving an automobile engine and an elevator system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of horsepower to watts and the application of the power formula. There is an exploration of how to calculate power required to lift an elevator against friction and gravity, with questions about the correct approach and assumptions involved.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the formulas to use, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the calculations. There is an acknowledgment of calculation errors and a clarification of the role of gravitational force in the elevator problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is also a lack of explicit values for certain variables, such as the velocity of the elevator, which affects the discussion.

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Okay, I have this problem that I've been having trouble with. It seems like a simple problem, but I keep getting the wrong answer and I don't know where I'm making the error. Maybe one of you can help me target the problem. =) The problem is as follows:
If an automobile engine delivers 50.0 hp of power, how much time will it take for the engine to do 6.40 x 105 J of work?
Well, firstly I converted the 50.0 hp into watts by multiplying it by 746 (because one hp equals 746 watts). I got 37300 watts. Then using the formula [tex]P=\frac{W}{\Delta t}}[/tex], I plug in 6.40 x 105 J as P(ower) and 6.40 x 105 as W(ork). When I calculated it, I get .058 seconds for t. However, the correct answer is 17.2 seconds. Can anybody tell me where I'm going wrong and what I need to do?
 
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You must be plugging things in wrong. Try again (you have everything right):

ΔT = W/P
 
Ohhh... haha. Whoops, I was just making a calculation error. Thanks! Okay I get it. I have another question though. In the following problem:
A 1.0 x 103 kg elevator carries a maximum load of 800.0 kg. A constant frictional force of 4.0 x 103 N retards the elevator's motion upward. What minimum power, in kilowatts, must the motor deliver to lift the fully loaded elevator at a constant speed of m/s?
Okay, for this problem, I'm not quite sure how to approach it. Initally, I thought I had to simply use the formula [tex]P=\frac{Fd}{\Delta t}}[/tex] to solve it by pluggin in 4.0 x 103 N as F and 3.00 m as d, and just put in one second for t. However, when I calculated it, it didn't come out to the correct solution so I'm assuming that this approach was not right. How then, would I solve this problem?
 
You know that P = F(Δd/Δt)

Δd/Δt is equal to velocity, so P can also be expressed

P = Fv

The force the lift motor has to overcome when the lift is fully loaded is

F = (1000 + 800)g + 4000

So

P = (1800g + 4000)v

You didn't put the value of v in your question, but you mentioned that the lift moves 3m in one second, so

P = 3(1800g + 4000)
 
Originally posted by Alethia
However, when I calculated it, it didn't come out to the correct solution so I'm assuming that this approach was not right. How then, would I solve this problem?
You forgot that the motor has to work against gravity, not just the friction.
 
What do you mean when you refer to 'g'?
 
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The constant g is the acceleration due to gravity.
 
Originally posted by AD
The constant g is the acceleration due to gravity.
So then would I have to multiply 1800 by 9.81 m/s2?
 
Yes.
 

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