Calculating Forces and Work Done on a Piano Sliding Down an Incline

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The discussion revolves around calculating forces and work done on a piano sliding down a 30° incline, with a focus on the forces acting on the piano, including friction and the force exerted by a man pushing against it. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to forces, work, and energy.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the force exerted by the man and the work done in various parts of the problem. There are questions about the direction of forces and the correct application of work formulas. Some participants express confusion regarding the signs of work done by different forces, particularly the man and friction.

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Some participants have clarified their understanding of the work done by the man and are exploring the work done by friction. There is ongoing discussion about the correct equations to use and the interpretation of displacement in relation to the forces acting on the piano.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of the incline's angle and the direction of forces, which affects their calculations. There is a focus on ensuring that the components of forces and distances are correctly aligned with the physical setup of the problem.

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A 300 kg piano slides 4.6 m down a 30° incline and is kept from accelerating by a man who is pushing back on it parallel to the incline. The effective coefficient of kinetic friction is 0.40.
(a) Calculate the force exerted by the man.


i got F = mu(k)mgcos(angle) + mgsin(angle) = 0
so F = .40(300)(9.8)cos(30) + 300(9.8)sin(30) = 451.55N

(b) Calculate the work done by the man on the piano.
(c) Calculate the work done by the friction force.
(d) What is the work done by the force of gravity?
(e) What is the net work done on the piano?

ok so I'm having problems with parts b and c. I thought I could use the equation W = FD for part b. so W = 451.55(4.6) = 2077.13 J. is 4.6m d? help please!
 
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confusedaboutphysics said:
(a) Calculate the force exerted by the man.
i got F = mu(k)mgcos(angle) + mgsin(angle) = 0
so F = .40(300)(9.8)cos(30) + 300(9.8)sin(30) = 451.55N
Careful. What are the directions of the forces?

Edit: Your answer is correct, but your equation is not. You must have copied it wrong.
 
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Hi!

Now, the piano is moving downward along the incline but the force exerted by the man is upward along the incline. Hence, work done by the man is negative.

You are right in saying that d= 4.6m, as the line of action of the man's force and the motion of the piano are parallel, but you'll need to add a negative sign in front of your answer for part (b).

The same goes for part (c), as frictional force is opposite to the piano's motion!

Hope this helps!
 
thanks guys! i understand b now..but I'm still stuck on c. is this the right equation for part c? Wfr = Ffr (dcos30) = .40(300)(-9.8) (4.6cos30) = 4684.85 J?
 
How far is the contact-point of the F_fr displaced?
Is this F_fr parallel, anti-parallel, or at 30 deg to dx?

isn't the surface Normal Force = m g cos30 ?
 
Hi!

Your final answer seems correct, but why do you have the expression "(4.6cos30)"?

This seems to imply that you are taking a component of the distance traveled by the piano, which does not seem right, as the direction of motion of the piano is parallel (though in opposite direction to) the frictional force.

Instead, the cos30 is meant for taking the component of the piano's weight which is perpendicular to the incline, to be used later in calculating the frictional force.

Hope you get what I mean...
 
confusedaboutphysics said:
..but I'm still stuck on c. is this the right equation for part c? Wfr = Ffr (dcos30) = .40(300)(-9.8) (4.6cos30) = 4684.85 J?
While your answer is correct (except for the sign), the way you've grouped your factors doesn't make sense. The work done by any force is just force times the displacement parallel to that force. The friction force (which you calculated to solve part a) is [itex]\mu m g \cos \theta[/itex] acting up the incline; the displacement is given as 4.6 m down the incline.
 

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